Lawyers Publishing Co.Download PDFNational Labor Relations Board - Board DecisionsDec 7, 1984273 N.L.R.B. 129 (N.L.R.B. 1984) Copy Citation LAWYERS PUBLISHING CO. 129 Lawyers Cooperative ,Publishing Company and Office and Professional Employees Internation- al Union, AFL-CIO-CLC and Stanley A. Dash, Jr. and Robert H. Carduner and Irving Kensler. Cases 30-CA-5603, 30-CA-6152, 30 7CA- 6332, and 30-CA=6339' 7 December 1984 DECISION AND ORDER BY CHAIRMAN DOTSON AND MEMBERS ZIMMERMAN AND HUNTER , On 19 August 1982 AdMinistrative Law Judge Wallace H. Nations issued the attached decision. The Respondent and the General Counsel filed ex- ceptions, supporting briefs, and answering briefs. The National Labor Relations Board has delegat- ed its authority in this proceeding to a three- member panel. The Board has considered the decision and the record in light of the exceptions and briefs and has decided to affirm the judge's rulings, findings,' and conclusions only to the 'extent consistent with .this Decision and Order. The Respondent is engaged in the publication and sale of law books, and it markets its products through approximately 100 commissioned. sales rep- resentatives. The Respondent's supervisory hierar- chy consists of President Gosnell, _Vice President of Marketing Anderson, National Sales Manager Bissett, Vice President of Personnel Bennett, Per- sonnel Manager Roth, and approximately ,11 re- gional managers. The regional managers are the immediate supervisors of the sales representatives. The sales representatives became dissatisfied-with the Respondent's "subscription growth" plan of compensation, and in December 1919 sales , repre- sentative Stanley Dash initiated a union organizing drive. The Respondent became aware of the _orga- nizing activity on 9 January 1980, 2 and subsequent- ly launched a campaign in opposition to the Union. On 5 May the sales representatives voted, against union representation ' and, beginning in late May, Dash took a leave of absence because he had been under stress. The Respondent threatened' to dis- charge Dash on 30 May, and in June it delayed his receipt of disability benefits and refused to provide him with a ,copy of its insurance policy. Dash re- turned to work on 22 September after the Re- ' The Respondent and the General Counsel have, excepted to some of the Judge's credibility findings The Board's established policy is not' to overrule an administrative law pidge's Credibility resolutions unless the clear preponderance of all the relevant evidence convinces us, that they are incorrect Standard Dry Wall Products, 91 NLRB 544 (1950). enfd 188 F 2d 362 (3d Or 1951) We have carefully examined the record and find no basis for reversing the findings' • 2 Unless otherwise specified, all dates herein refer to 1980 spondent required him to undergo a psychiatric ex- amination. On 5 November the Respondent dis- charged Dash, and it subsequently challenged his application for unemployment compensation bene- fits. The Respondent also_ discharged Regional Manager Warner on 22 May, sales representative Kensler on 25 August, Regional Manager Carduner on 11 October, and sales , representative Redd on 23 October. On 14 January the Union filed. unfair labor prac- tice charges in Case 30-CA-5603, and on 28 March the General Counsel issued a complaint. The com- plaint as later amended alleged that during the or- ganizing campaign and prior to 5 May the Re- spondent engaged in violations of Section 8(a)(1) and (3). The . parties subsequently , reached a settle- ment agreement which- was signed by' the Respond- ent on 15 September, signed by the Union on 18 September, and approved by the Regional Director on '1 October.. On 12 November Dash filed a charge in Case 30-CA-6152. The Regional Director set aside the settlement agreement on TJannary 1981 and issued a consolidated cdmplaint 'on. 15 January 1981. The complaint alleged, inter alia, that on 15 'August the Respondent violated Section 8(a)(3) by acting to delay Dash's return to vireirk until 22 September.. It further alleged that the Respondent violated Sec- tion 8(a)(3) by transferring Dash to a different region and manager on 22 September and by dis- charging him on 5 Noveinber. The complaint also alleged that the Respondent unlawfully threatened to discharge Dash.on 30 . May, . The complaint, as later consolidated and amend- ed, also 'alleged that the 'discharges of Warner, Kens/er, Carduner, and 'Redd were unlawful. It further alleged that the Respondent violated the Act by appealing .Dash's unemployment compensa- tion award, by refusing to provide Dash's attorney with a copy of its disability insurance policy, and _by delaying the payment of Dash's disability bene- fits. The complaint was also amended to allege ad- ditional unlawful conduct prior to the 5 May elec- tion.• The judge found that the' Respondent engaged in violations of Section 8(a)(1) prior, to the 5 May election. He also found that the Respondent violat- ed Section 8(a)(3) by requiring Dash to undergo a psychiatric examination before his return to work on 22 September. The judge further found that, after the settlement agreement, the Respondent vio- lated Section 8(a)(3) by discharging Dash and by appealing his award of, unemployment compensa- tion. The judge concluded, and we agree, that the remaining postsettlement allegations , should be dis- 273 NLRB No. 31 130 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL * 'LABOR . RELATIONS BOARD • missed. ,3 Consequently,' the' Only remaining posisett- lement allegations involve Dash's discharge and the Respondent's appeal of his unemployment compen- sation award. Because we find no merit to those al- legations, we shall dismiss the complaint and rein- state the settlement agreement. 4 ' • 1. The complaint alleges that on' 1 -5 August the Respondent violated Section 8(a)(3) by delaying Dash's return to work until 22 September. In this connection the judge found that the Respondent discriminatorily required Dash to undergo a psy- chiatric examination before returning to work from his leave of absence. We note that this conduct oc- curred prior to 'the settlement agreement, and we therefore consider it only for the purpose of shed- ding light on the Respondent's motive for its post- settlement conduct.. We conclude, for the reasons below, that the Respondent was motivated by le- gitimate concerns in requiring the examination. Dash took a leave of absence from late May until 22 September after his psychologist informed him that he was suffering from a "gross stress reac- tion." On 9 June Roth sent Dash a disability form and a letter stating that the Respondent was imme- diately placing _him on disability status. Dash's at- torney sent _the Respondent a letter from bash's psychologist, which , stated that the purpose, of the leave of absence was to enable Dash to obtain "relief' from the job-related factors -causing him stress. Roth testified that, because the letter did not state that Dash was unable to work, he began .to 3 We agree with the judge- that the Respondent lawfully discharged Hubert Redd on 23 October and Robert Carduner on 11 October In its "exceptions the General Counsel notes-that the judge failed to find wheth- er the Respondent acted unlawfully. by discharging Carduner instead of merely demoting him to a sales representative position For the reasons cited by the judge to find Carduner's discharge lawful, we find that the Respondent:did not violate the Act by refusing to demote Carduner We also agree with the judge that the Respondent did not violate the Act by assigning Dash to a different regional manager on 22 September, assuming, arguendo, that this conduct can be characterized as postsettle- 'ment conduct 4 A settlement agreement will be set aside if its provisions are breached or if postsettlement unfair labor practices are 'committed Cambridge Con- tracting, 259 NLRB 1374, 1381 '(1982), Ann's-Schneider Bakery, 259 NLRB 1151, 1152 (1982) Therefore, we must initially determine whether the Respondent engaged in any postsettlement misconduct - which violat- ed the settlement agreement However, the Board has observed that pre. settlement conduct may be considered as background evidence in deter- , mining the motive or object underlying a respondent's postsettlement conduct Vore Cinema Corp, 254 NLRB 1288, 1291-92 (1981), Laborers Local 185 (Joseph's LandsCaping), 154 NLRB 1384 (1965) We have given appropriate consideration to the judge's findings concerning the Respond- ent's presettlenient conduct but, in our view, these findings do not war- rant the conclusion that the Respondent's postsettlement conduct was un- lawfully motivated Although the Respondent's presettlement conduct may constitute background' evidence in support' of the General Counsel's prima facie case, we cOnclude, for the reasons set forth, infra, that the Respondent . would have discharged Dash and appealed his unemploy- ment compensation award, even in the absence of his union activity In this connection we alsh emphasize our conclusion, discussed infia, that prior to the settlement the Respondent was motivated by legitimate con- cerns in requiring Dash to undergo a psychiatric examination before re- ••turning to work from his leave of absenee doubt whether Dash was eligible for disability ben- efits. On 30 June Dash's attorney returned the completed disability claim fOrm, which siated that Dash was totally' disabled from a "gross stress reac- tion." However, in an accoMpanying letter - Dash's attorney stated: You have requested that Mr. Dash complete and submit this form. His cooperation in doing this should not be construed as any admission on' his part that he is "ill" or "disabled" within the meaning of these programs or for any other purposes. While Mr. Dash may indeed be entitled to benefits under these programs he does not yet have sufficient information to de- termine, whether it is in his interest to submit a claim or accept benefits under them., The attorney's letter also noted that Dash' had not signed that portion of the form which authorizes- a general release of 'medical information to the Re- spondent's insurance carrier. The letter indicated that, because of- its "personal and sensitive" nature, such- informatiOn would be released only pursuant to "specific" and "reasonable" requests -by the' in- surance carrier. , On 15 July Roth stated that the Respondent cOuld nOt treat Dash as being On sick or disability leave because he would-not release information or admit that he was ill or disabled. Roth stated that Dash Was instead being placed on inactive' status pending clarification of his medical condition, and he indicated that the Respondent was reserving the right to have Dash examined by a physician of its choosing before permitting him to return to work. On '21 July Dash's 'attorney replied that the release of medical information-would be authorized if such information were "reasonably necessary 'to evalu- :ke" Dash's claim. The attorney requested a copy of the Respondent's insurance policy and indicated that Dash "is unable to determine whether he is ill or disabled within the meaning of the company in- surance policy since 'he does not have a copy "cif the policy." On 30 July Roth- responded that, be- cause of the Uncertainty created by the attorney's 3. 0 June 'letter, 'the Respondent would continue to keep 12-6:sh on inactive status' pending clarification of his medical condition. Roth also enclosed a copy of the Respondent's personnel policy concerning illness and injury. On 12 August the attorney informed Roth that Dash had received his ,, psychologist's approval to return to Work, but on' 15 August Roth indicated that before resuming work Dash would have to un- dergo an examination by the Respondent's physi- cian. Roth stated that this procedure was necessary to ensure that Dash was . "fully 'capable" of return- . LAWYERS _PUBLISHING CO 131. ing to -his-duties;-: and he requested that Dash's mec1,7., ical records be forwarded tot he Respondent's phy- sician. Onr 2, September ,Dash's_Ottorney reiterated that •the, medical: records were • '-obyiously of a highly personal and_confidential i nature," and there: is-.no„ evidence .that ,those_ records were ever- re- - leased. On 9 September Dashi.was examined by a psychiatrist selected .by, tbe Respondent, and he re- sumed working as a .,sales representative on 22 Sep--„, tember. ; - : Wiesonclude that ,the Respandent, had legitimate: reasons for ;requiring that Dash undergo a-separate, medical , examination, prior, to-, -his return to work.,,, We note particularly that bash, : through :his attor71,. ney, lwas seeking) disabilityenefits while- refusing to; concedes thattie :was ill ordisabled and while re7 sisting,the release of medical information ; We also,: note tfthf the initial_letter from bash's i pSycliologist . in did pot_ state whether . bash 'as^ ible, to work,.and tht Dash's . 12^AnguSt offer to return to worfc, ", was unaccompanied by any medical ments. , We agree With ihe,Resporident that -,ba'sh'S communications " raised Tlegitimate question's con: cefriing the nature and extent of his 'medical prbb'z' lems and his ability to, resume his duties. , Further, 'the evidence - indicates that in requiring the examination the Respondent Was mOtivated'.- sólely by these , legitimate- coneernS arid not , by Dash's union activity. The Resbondent consistently,' communicated. Its doubts about Dash's condition bY - informing the atfoiney that his ,letters had: created "uncertainty" and that Dash would'remain on ink- th',e' ,status . pending clarifiCatidn'of' his donditidn.',' Thé - Respohderif,:reSeived' the' right to require examination bY phYsician of -its 'choosing'.'Alill'' month before' Dash indicated his availability^rto resume work. This 'snggests „ that the Respondent - decided an this requireinerii in-TeSPorise to unusual:, circuritstinCes, 'arid that if did not simply present Dash With a:• hastifY cOnceiYed i bbsticle to delayhis ' return to work. *-Contrary to the judge we decline to draw an in- ference of proscribed motive from the fact ,that Dash was` the' firstemployee required . to undergo --a-, serarate 'medicaVexanririatibKAltliouili other abled employees were permitted to return to work Without such an examination, we rare not persuaded that .their '-circumstances Were. siniilar . to, Dash'S.' Evidence -is lacking -that the-medical condition of the ( other. employees' WaS .', eyer in 'doubt, or that those employees hesitated, to release mation 1-concerning : their condition. We 'also- find, contrary to_the,judge, that -the:fa-Y(3ra* retort by': the Respondents psychiatriSt, does not undermine the Respondent's 'ci:intention that it Was 'concerned about Dish's ability to perfOrria his job. In view. the foregoing, .we, find that the Respondent was motiyated .solely by . legitimate concerns in requir- ing . the examination - • .2. The Judge found that -the Respondent yiolated Section 8(a)(3) and-(1) by discharging Dash on November. -We find .merit in the Respondent's ex- ceptions and- for- the reasons below .we find that Dash's discharge was lawful. ,, • The record discloses -that on 4 •November Dash,. telephoned -the Respondent's customer service de- partment-,and spoke. with Patrina Fulton,. a :collec- tion correspondent. It is undisputed- that Dash and- Fulton became involved, in an argument concerning a problem-with a. customer's account, and it is also • undisputed that Fulton immediately _reported the incident to Michael Santangelo, the supervisor of the Respondent's, customer-- service department. Santangelo then telephoned- .Dash- to- ascertain his, version; of the incident, but there is. conflicting tes- timony ' about -the conversation that-- ensued. The judge did not resolve the conflict between the. testi- mony of Dash and Santangelo,, but he -concluded that- Dash's discharge. was -unlawful -even assuming the accuracy of. Santangelo's version: Contrary- to, the judge, we conclude that the Respondent,-did not violate the Act even if the accuracy of Dash's version of the,: conversation is assumed. . 6 , According to. Dash, Santangelo began- the. con- - versation by stating in an "insulting†tone of voice that he had just:spoken, with Fulton and that he now wanted to hear Dash's side of the story. Dash responded„ "Mike, what, you want and _what . you - get are two . different ,things.' . He told -Santangelo that he was ,late for work. and that "right, now" he did not want to talk' about the incident: Santangelo. then said, "[Y]ou don't want --to talk- to. me right now?" When. Dash said, 'That's right," Santangelo,. responded, "Who . do, you think you .are? ;You talk . to me or .1-I will rip up, return or lose every,- order of yours that-comes through this department• for: clearance." Dash testified that at that point , he, "blew [his] cork" because his livelihood-was being threatened, and- he, conceded that he "could very well have" used profanity. Dash and Santangelo' began "shouting': at each other, and after 2 minutes they simultaneously hung up-their phones.6 6• The , Respondent contends that Dash was discharged because-of hiss, conduct during- the conversation with Santangelo It 'does not -contend that Dish's conduct with Fulton was sufficient to warrant discharge 6 According to Santangelo. Dash responded to his first question by saying. "F—k you - I don't have to tell you a fking thing" Santan- gelo,told Dail' to calm down and discuss the , problem,, but Dash stated, that he did not ,have to do what Santangelosaid _Dash's voice became extremefy lomkand Santangelo stated that if Dash'did not cairn down he would "personally. watch over", all of Dash's orders and reject thOse„.: which did .not have every 'dotted and "t" crossed When Dash continj.- ued to _raise his voice.and, .told Santangelo not to threaten him, Santan- gelo hung up • f 132 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL' LABOR' RELATIONS BOARD UncontradiCted teStinidny cestablisheS- that San- -- tangelo immediately reldted the 'conversation' , to' National Sales Manager Bissett and PerSdnnel Man; ager Roth, and then-repeated it in the - presence of Vice President 'of Marketing Anderson, Vice Presi- dent of Personnel Bennett; Vice President of-Fi- nance Fogel, his 'own supervisor, Smith, and Bis-i` sett. 7 On the same day Santangelo and Fulton - again discussed -the events with 'Bennett and-- the Respondent's attorney. Dash testified that on 5 , No; vember he received_ a phone call , from Bissett, who' - told him that he was immediately -discharged be, cause the" Respondent was tired of his -"rude, abu- sive treatment" of employees. 8 Bissett declined to listen when Dash-offered to explain his conduct. Even : if we 'assume, - argtiendo, that Dash's pro- tected activity was - a motivating factor - in -the Re- spondent's . .decision to discharge- him,- we find,that the Respondent met its' burden-of establishing that ;- Dash would' have been discharged even in' the sence, of •-his • protected -activity. In reaching- this: conclusion; We' place 'particular reliance on the' ex=- tenMve background evidence establishing. that the • Respondent had - long considered, Dash-to be an ern-": ployee ,with' serious behavioral Problems.- ; • The rebord establishes ihat 'as early As 17 Octo- ber 1977, the Respondent's national sales -. manager observed in a memo that Dash harbored-, a "nega- tive attitude" and often exhibited an "argumenta-- tive" and 'loud" . voice. The -memo indicated that Dash's behavior was ,a "longstanding" problem which "may- eventually lead to. termination." Sub- sequently, -the Respondent began' to receive corn- plaints --from customers' about Dash's conduct. In • Jtine_-.1978 Marcia Koslov, the Wisconsin state laW librarian, informed the Respondent that Dash's be-. havior in a sales meeting had been `!rude" and ."ar-,- rogant." In a memo to' Regional Manager, Murrell; the- Respondent's national sales 'Manager described the Koslov • complaint as "one more" pioblem among the "ongoing" problems -that the Respond- ent was encountering with Dash. The Respondent, 'directed Dash to write a' letter of apology - to KosIov. • - - On - 26' April 1979 the Respondent reCeived 'an- other customer coinplaint from Gary Monson,---a. Wisconsin attorney, who stated that Dash's .con- duct had been "extremely arrogant, 'offensive, tin- prafeSsional, and . extremely , obnoxibus." The 'tette? 7 As noted above, we are considering the issue of Dash's 'discharge iwa light most favorable to Dash Consequently, 'we ' are assuining,"arguerido, that Dash's version of the 'facts represents What actually 'transpired, that those facts were related to the Respondent's officialby Santangelo, an'd' that it was on those facts that the Respondent based its deciSion AccOrdmg to his owni testithony, Dash ilso told'Bisseti that`his charge did not come as a suipose ' in vteW Of his union activily' Dash's testimony does not indicate whether Sissett responded to this 'statement alsb indicated that Dash'S ,-"attitude: and derneanor'.'., had been "disgusting7 Vice 'President of Marketing Anderson' apologized in' Writing to ,-Monson, arid: Dash was remOved- from the a'cco'unt. In connec, tion with this incident, Anderson-wrote , a= memo• to Gosnell in 'which he noted that 'Dash suffers from,: "moments of irrationality." • The judge found,' and We agree,' that 'on' 9"Jariu--1 ark Murrell properly thieatened C ut "Dash 'On" probation after he argued with some of the sjiondent's- customer . service Cotrrèsjidnderits''in"the fall of '1979° The- judge Also IOUrid- that late '- May Dash tie'gan his leAve .lif absence With-out fir§t-,s; informing' h ,is'2regional thanager -,-fl '-and'that 'On 30' May the RespOndent sent liii -a 'relegranrthreaten--'. ing ,him with -digcharge:If :he s-did confAC± the offiee Within' 4' days...We agree With 'the- judg-OhAt - the 30 May threat wasnot improper 6' ,When' viewed against this' hackgrOUnd, Dash's"' conduct pn4 November' Was simply an egregious manifestation of a longstanding lem. 1 2 Santangelo was conducting a legitimate in- vestigation of the Fulton incident, but Dash refused to cooperate' at the : outset „when". he...belligerently.: stated, "[W]hat you want and • -what .kou' get Are tvkief , different things." Dash COncedecl , that he beCame extremely angry and it is :clear that he never gave' substantive aniwers to, Santangeto's' questions., The. record therefore 6tablishes, that over Sever-, al,years the, Respondent was repeatedik cOnfrpiited.„ with the issue Of .bash's behavior,- and we infer from its previbus . reactiOns 'that. . the Respondent- wOuld, have, discharged hirn , on, 5 Noyernber, even in the.abience of his union activity-Its,previous,re- - actions first demonstrate that it viewed the-problem .,, as- seriou,s, long before, the. , onset of union. The memo of ,17 bctober 1977 f ,discloses. that, 2,, years hefore , Dask,initiated the ofganizing. - s I 9 The.documents in connection with the Koslov_and Monson incidents, as well as the 17 October 1977 memO, are relevnt in determining the, Respondent's perception of Dash's behavioral 7piOblems and the motive underlying its-discharge decision Weared not make factual findings with respect to what actually -.transpired during Dash's encounters with anil`MonsOn, ‘Ancrwe do not rely On the dOeumerits for that pur- pose ' • ' • . _ '„ • 19., The judge • also found -that, Murrell discussed. the ,Koslov and Monson incidents with Dash -When he threatened him sith probation • " bash contends' that he' sent a telegram'tO the Respondent's riationali sales manager, but the judge found that the Respondent never received it , 2,, in fact, our dissenting colleague tacitly concedes the existence pf, this" problem agreeliig that the RespOinient's requiring Dash "- • to be exn-mined e by a psychiatrigt prior' to 'his ieturn to NA;OrV was "trim,- vated by legitimate Concern In this regard, contrary to, our dissenting colleague, we find it Irrelevant that the psychiatrist hired by the Re- spondent cleared Dash of any problems, since the Respondent dB : - charg.ed Dash for his unacceptable- behavior on the 'job, not for ,a medical, disorder Thus, as we noted earlier, the ,favorable,medical report does not: undermine the Respondent's contention concerning bash's ability, to pert form his-job ' • r • " • +" LAWYERS 'PUBLISHING 'CO 133 one - Of the Respondent's highest - officials recog- nized that his "longstanding" behavioral problem.:, (DILHR) 'determined : that Dash qualified for bene- fits.' The Respondent filed an appeal o 'tfhe award and a "telephone hearing" was 'held before an ex- aminer of the Appeal Tribunal of the DILHR. The' examiner issued a decision which upheld the award' of benefits, and the , Respondent petitioned for review to; the 'Wisconsin Labor and -Industry Review. Commission, (Review Commission). The Review. Commission, dismissed the • Respondent's petition, :finding that it was untimely filed. The ,Re- spondent. filed a. complaint in the circuit court of Dane County,, Wisconsin, naming the State of Wis- consin,- the•DILHR,, the Review Commission, and Dash -as- defendants., The complaint requested that the court Set aside:,the• decision of the Review Commission, reverse the examiner's 'decision,, and remand the proceeding to the Appeal Tribunal of, the.DILHR to reopen the hearing de novo-. At the, time •of, the hearing, in the , instant proceeding, the,. Respondent's action ,in :the , circuit, cOurt was: still„ pending... _ "may eventually lead to termination." The Respondent's reactions Also demonitrate thaf it took progressively stronger measures over time to control Dash's conduct. The Respondent- first compelled him to write the letter of apology noted above, then threatened him with probation op 9 January, and finally threatened him with discharge - on 30 May before actually terminating his employ- ment on .5 November. This progressive response in- - dicates that the discharge decision was the logical - culmination of the Respondent's previous reactions over several years._ What emerges from, the record as a whole, therefore, is that the RespOndent gave - Dashevery opportunity to rectify his behavior, , but that it finally discharged him' when confrOnted, with his insubordinate obstruction of Santangelo's - legitimate investigation. In view of:all the above evidence, we conclude that Dash's discharge 'did not 'violate Section 8(a)(3) and (1). 13 - , 3. The judge found that the Respondent's apPeal - of Dash's award of unemployment conipensation, benefits was discriminatorily motivated: We agre-e,' with the Respondent that its conduct was not un- • lawful.- ‘,• • 'Dash applied for , unemployment OomPensation-- benefits following his discharge. The ResPo -ndent` ' contested the application, but the Wisconsin; De- partment of Industry, - Labor 'and Human RelationS: • 13 We are aware that the Respondent did riot attempt to a`scertain Dash's version of the . 4 November incident' before discharging 'him ., but. we conclude in the circumstances of this case, that its failure to _do, so does not warrant a finding of unlawful motive Although 'the Respond- ent's iailuie to consult Dash is among the factors to-be conS'idered,'con- trary to • our dissenting colleague, we_conclude that it is outweighed in - this case by the 'extensive evidence discussed above that , the Respondent could no longer ietain Dash in the face of his persistenf 'misconduct -We also fihd it noteworthy that the 4 November incident was given extensive consideranon,by several of the Respondent's highest officials Santangelo discussed the incident with Bissett and Roth, and then discussedit again in the presence of 'Anderson: !Sennett, Fogel, Smith, and Bissett Saritan-' gelO ind Fulton then engaged in further discussions with-Bennett and the Respondent's attorney We do not minimize, the Respondent's failure to. ascertain Dash's version, but in light of the above evidence we cannot say that the Respondent did not investigate th 4 Nci'vember incident before deciding to discharge Dash , • • In concluding that the Respondent's motive .was unlawful, our dissent- ing colleague emphasizes Dash' previons pthform.ance as a sales repre-- senintive We do not dispute that Dash had been an excellent salesman, but we think it fair to conclude that the Respondent determined that his sales performance eventually came to be overshadowed by his loligStand:. mg- behavioral problems Finally, in ascertaining the Respondent's motive, we also disagree with our dissenting colleague that,Dash did not present any problems to the Respondent which were not common to the rest of the sales,force Al- though the record contains examples of sales representatives who were not disciplined after engaging in various types of abrasive conduct, there is no evidence that any other sales representative exhibited the consistent behavioral problem m;hich the Respondent , had long recognized in' Dash There is also no evidence that any sales representativehad escaped , disci- pline after obstructing a supervisor' S legitimate investigation °ran em- ployee dispute An inference of unlawful motive based on disparate tieat- ment is therefore unwarranted , In Bill Johnson's- Restaurants v. NLE B, 103 S.Ct. 2161. (1983), the Supreme Court set forth the test which the Board mustapply in determining. wheth7.-. er a state-court 'lawsuit may be enjoined' as, an unfair labor practice'. The Court stated (103 S,Ct. at 2 ,173) that - , . the ' Boaid may' net halt the prosecution' of-- a 'state-court lawsuit,' regardless of the plain; fiffs motive, unles the' suit lacks a' reasonable : -. basis in 'fact or law the,' motiVe and lack of reasbnable basis ,are 'both essential tire- requisites to the isshanee of a ceasezati&desist Order against a state snit__, • .. , A -Suit has :a reasonable -baSis 'in 'fact' if it raises "al' genuine issue of material fact that -turns On the credibility of Witnesses or* the:properinferences to be drawn from undiStiuted''faciS :." 1 !' , A-suif has a' reasonable basis in law if there- Ts`"any realistic chance- that the Plaintiffs _legal' . theory Might' lie-, adopted 15 Applying thiS:•test;t6' viefind:thaf the Respondent 'had , a reasonable basis in fact and' law tO . support ifs':aPPal- of -Pash'S:' av,',ard of tinemPloyment-eompensationSt,:i,!":',‘ , We find at the outset that the Respondent•had "A reasbnable basis fOr 3-pilisuing atiPear.of: 'the DILHR's initial determination. The examiner's de- cision discloses that 'the ,issue ;the ',hearing was whether Dash's conduct with 'Santangelo on 4 'No- vember' 6 c8nstituted - "misconduet -connected *ith 14 103 S Ct'at'2171 ' • • •, • 15 103 S Ct at 2172 16 The decision also referred "to alleged -arguthents with ewo unnamed customers in 1978 and 1979 - • - ••- • •:••• !x: 134 DECISIONS OF NATIONALI LABOR-RELATIONS BOARD his employment ? ' .within the meaning the,appli-:. cable Wisconsin statutory proyision. 1 -7 - sion the examiner noted that the Supreme_Court of Wisconsin ,has- interpreted , this :statutoryz language._ to-include:. _ ' • COndiiet , evincing' such willfUl 'or wanton dis: -regard , Of an employer's interests as-is found-in deliberate , violations or disregard of standards _Ofbehavior which the employer has -a .right to 'expect -of his-employee, or in ,carelessnessi negligence of such 'degree or :recurrence; as. to manifest' equal .culpability,-, wrOngful: intent'of" 'evil design; Or to show aii intentional and -sub-I. i; f -stantial disregard of the..ernployer's interests',or..--j , of the employee's .duties rand 'obligations -to- his emploer:1 8 - "-* ' •• t As - noted 'above, 'there_ is a factual -dispute ,a.S„-tO,'" the' ,substa'nee of the 4 NOertiber be-' tWeen -Santangelo and , Dash.' According td Santaii- gab; the' argument becanie-quitetheated; and -Dash used profanity and refused to answer questions -, ab6ut-the l Fulion incident:' Dash conceded that -he "bleiv '[his]-'cork" 'and "Could ; have" used profanity; ' but' 'asserted' that he'did not - 13econie- angry-until- he was provoked by Santangelozg•threat to- destroy orders. - ' • 1 In view of the dispute between Dash and Santaii- • - gelp.as. to the substance of their argument, we find _th_at the itesPondent'S,-apPeal;Wa's.,baseci i„genu-' ine issue- of material tact. i ?, The ,appeal - also had a reasonable basis .in law because under Santangelo 's version baki's -cOnduetl 'at leak at-viably fell Within the ate-g81:Y . -set 'f'Ortli in the Wisconsin statute as interpreted by the Wis ,cOhsin Supreme Court. We cannot say that theftWas 'no "realistic chance! that the , -ItespOndent's;legal -theory could_ have been._ adiopted. ; • s:Furthertnore„ .we are _not , ,persuaded that „the,.;:ke,,,:', sponcient , acted aniawfullyby, ,continuingys. appeal after,: ,the examiner ,,issued' his_ deCision.- sponCient,.contends that,* _was denied , an oPpOituniF,1 ty-to s presen,t;Wiinesses and be represented by coup Selatthe.,teleph4he hearing?;as a result of ainb-ig71._, uouS. and Mikeading,itistiuCtionsfiOrif ,-the On .2 January„,181: the Respondent received , in!, • r - •.:- structions WhiCli indicated that the 13 ,January pro- ceeding would t be.,a "telephone hearing ' in _which 17 Under this provision, an employee who is discharged for ."miscon- duct connected with his employm<" is ineligible foe-benefits . 1..9 -.The examinei-:.quotèd'thedecision of,the Supreme Cou-rt of Wiscon- tsupm,Boynton Fab,Co ,vVyeubeck & Ind Comm. , 237 Wisc 249,(1941) 1,9 Although, w'e"haiie found the discharge 'to be la'wful even if Dash's version, is deemed accurate, we cannot say that the' conflicting_ versions would not be-of significance to a Wisconsin state courtbattempng to apply the test set forth above :,?2,3,-:,VV,ei need . note,consyler ,whethert,Dash's conduct, according ;to his own version, arguably fell within the statutory category , .; . the, _Respondent „ would participate by telephone front its :office ,in Rochester, New y,ork, while Dash appeared in person at the DILHR's office _in Madison, • Wisconsin. In pertinent part, the instruc- tions further stated that. This- Case: has* been scheduled for a telephone hearing. ? Your testimony -will be taken and :re- . cOrded over- the telephone.' The average hear- ',..Ing-length is One hour. 'telephone the Office Manager if You Wish- tO: ''‘ Al Have 'witnesses' Present at the' hearing; "(R'equires personal aPpeatance'hearing), Be 'represented b'y an attOriley or anOther- perS'on;y(Requires persionaraPpeaiince 'hearing) - Pei§onar,appeararice hearings',W'ill be -Sched- nled only upon your request:: Although there is no . evidence that either the:Re- sp-ondent or Dash requested; that, a "personal ap- pearance ,hearing' be -scheduled, Dash- nonetheless _ appeared at the- hearing on 13 January, with his at:,, torney. When apprised .of this situation,- Personnel' Manager Roth stated over the telephone that -he had interpreted the instructions to prohibit counsel at: a..."teleplione. hearing," and he requested an_ad- journment—to obtain counsel for the Respondent., The -examiner denied the request and subsequently asked Roth whether he intended to present any witnesses. Roth again stated that he had interpreted the instructions to prohibit. witnesses at a "tele- phone' hearing,' and , the examiner denied his' re-, quest'for'an adjournment to- Permiethe Respondent , to" call -witnesses. ,-Subsequently, in his decision . up- • ho. laing the „ayvard 'of benefits, the examiner `relied, on the 'kespondent!s failure to . .present a'n' wit- ne'sses-' and' fOund , that it had' 'failed , to meet bUiden ', "tV .:' ,Introdu'cè, , ,coinpefent, '''admisSible 'evi- dence" concerning the 'circumstances, of Dash's dis-_, charge. 2c The' Respondent's' subsequent petition' to the- Review Conimission, , as noted abOV'e, Was, dis7, missed solely on the ground that it was untimely filed: 22 In the ,'complaint which it filed in the ocir- cuit , court. of Dane County, 'Wisconsin, the ,Re- spOriderit alleged a violatirm 'of due process and -re- queked that the hearing be reopened to permit it to" present _witnesses and be represented by counsel. - , We find 'that , the Respondent had a reas,onable basis in fact ,,and law for continuing its appeal after, 21 The. examiner, sated that Roth "had no first-hand knowledge" of the incident between Dash and Santangelo Although the Respondent's petition was dated 26 January, it was not received,by the Review Commission until 30 January , The filing deadline was 28 January LAWYERS PUBLISHING CO 135 the examiner's decision. The instructions set forth above present a genuine issue of material fact,- since they arguably prohibit legal representation and the presentation of witnesses at a telephone hearing. In view of this ambiguity, in the instructions, we find that the Respondent reasonably could häve con- tended, as it did 'in its complaint before the , Wis- consin court, that it was prejudiced by the examin- er's refusal to adjourn the hearing to permit the Respondent to obtain counsel, and by the ,examin- er's reliance in his decision on the Respondent's failure to produce witnesses. We cannot say that there was no "realistic chance" that the court could have adopted' the Respondent's legal theory that it was denied due process. . Because we find that the Respondent's appeal had a reasonable basis in fact and law, we are -pre- cluded from enjoining the appeal regardless of the Respondent's motive. In any event, We'also find no evidence that the appeal Was unlawfully motivat- ed. 23 The judge inferred the existence of an unlaw- ful motive from his finding that the appeal, WaS marked by dilatory tactics, by lack of a serious effort to prosecute the action, and by strategies that differed from previous proceedings involving un- employment compensation benefits. In , ,concluding that the Respondent engaged in dilatorOactics, the judge apparently relied on his finding that the Re- spondent "waited until the last day" to appeal the initial determination. The DILHR i'ssued- the award on 1 December and the Respondent requested an appeal by telegram on 15 December. The latter date does represent the filing deadline, but We find that the Respondent's timely filing of:its request; 2 weeks after the issuance of 'the decision,' hardly warrants the conclusion that it engaged in dilatory tactics. In finding that the Respondent did, not make a serious effort to prosecute the action, the judge found that the Respondent "chose" not to present witnesses or affidavits at the 13 -January hearing. As discussed above, however, the hearing instruc- tions arguably prohibit the 'presentation of wit- nesses at a telephone hearing. We are not of the view that the Respondent's confusion over the proper procedure , is sufficient to SuppOrt a finding that its effort was less than serious. 23 In Bill Johnson's Restaurants v NLRB, 103 S Ct 2161 (1983), the Supreme Court stated that if genuine material factual or legal Issues exist, the -Board must await the results of the state court adjudication The Court further stated that "NI' the state proceedings result in a judgment adverse to the plaintiff, the Board may then consider the matter further and, if It is found that the lawsuit was filed with retaliatory Intent, the Board may find a violation and order appropriate relief" 103 S Ct at 2173 At the time of the hearing the stale court had not rendered a final judgment We consider the Respondent's motive at 'this point only to avoid further proceedings should the state court 'render a judgment ad- verse to the Respondent .Contrary to the judge, we see no reason to draw an inference of unlawful , motive from the fact that the Respondent ' made a personal appearance, rather than a telephonic appearance, at a prior unemploy- ment compensation proceeding involving another employee in New York. The Respondent was simply acting within its rights under Wisconsin procedure by participating by telephone in the 13 January hearing. We can find no significance in the fact that the Respondent chose to pursue different strategies in different proceedings, particularly since the record discloses little evidence of the cir- cumstances surrounding the prior New York pro- ceeding. Indeed, if the limited evidence of that pro- ceeding establishes anything, it establishes only that the Respondent's challenge to Dash's claim was not without precedent., We therefore find no ,evidence that the Respond- ent's appeal of Dash's award of benefits was unlaw- fully motivated. In view of this finding and our conclusion ,above that Dash's discharge was lawful, we find that the Respondent did not violate the Act after the settlement agreement. Consequently, we shall reinstate the settlement agreement and dis- miss the complaint Cambridge Contracting, 259 NLRB 1374, 1381-83 (1982); Ann's-Schneider Bakery, 259 NLRB 1151, 1160 (1982). ORDER The complaint is dismissed. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the settlement agreement in Case 30-CA-5603 be reinstated. MEMBER ZIMMER-MAN, dissenting in part and Con- curring in part. dissent from my colleagues' reversal of the judge's finding that union activist 'Stanley Dash was discharged in violation' of Section 8(a)(3) and (1) of the Act. Notwithstanding the factors cited by the majority, the fact remains that Dash was an excellent sales representative- who had won sales prizes and been cOnsidered by the Respondent for a position as regional manager, and whose previous activities noted by my colleagues had always been condoned by the Respondent. Indeed, the Re- spondent was aware . prior to the organizing cam- paign that aggressive behavior which sometimes became abusive or profane was not unusual among the sales representatives, and management tolerated such behavior as long as the representative was successfully making sales. That Dash's union activi- ty was the sole motivating factor in the Respond- ent's decision to discharge him on 5 November 1980 is evidenced by the fact that the Respondent not only failed to seek out Dash's version of the precipitating incident with Santangelo, but refused 136 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD to listen 'when , Dash tried to 'explain his side of the story. The Respondent's determination to hear only Santangelo's version establishes that its interest was in- finding a plausible pretext for the discharge, and not in ascertaining what actually occurred.1 Because I find Dash's discharge unlawful, I would not honor the' parties' settlement, as my col- leagues do. Rather, I would' cthisider and essential- ly affirm the judge's -finding- that the Respondent committed numerous' violations of Section 8(a)(1) of the /wt. I do, however, CthiCur in my colleagues' finding that the'Responderit' did no act unlawfully when it earlier required Dash to undergo a psychiatric ex- amination before returning- to work following a prior leave of absence, 2 or when it appealed 'his award of unemployment compensation benefits. In contrast to its 'discharge of Dash, the record indi- cates that the Respondent ' was motivated by legiti- mate concerns with respect to these two actions, and I agree with ri-67 colleagues that these allega- tions of the complaint should be dismissed. • I The fact that any number of the Respondent's highest officials may have participated in the decision to discharge Dash does not detract from the undisputed fact that these officials did not ascertain Dash's version of the incident for which he was allegedly discharged prior to the decision to discharge him Contrary to my colleagues, who find that the Respond- ent's failure to consult Dash about the incident is outweighed by the "ex- tensive evidence of his persistent misconduct," I find It more likely that Dash's union activities eventually overshadowed his excellent sales performance in the Respondent's view 2 My colleagues 'conclude that I tacitly concede the existence of a longstanding behavioral problem on Dash's part because I agree with them that the Respondent's requiring Dash to be examined by a psychia- tnst prior to his return to work following an earlier leave of absence was motivated by -legitimate concerns To the contrary, I find the fact that the psychiatnst selected by the Respondent itself gave Dash permission to return to work establishes that whatever psychiatric' problems the Re- spondent may have perceived Dash to have had in the past did not war- rant the Respondent's later actions in firing him Thus, the judge found "The psychologist who Interviewed Dash on the Company's behalf com- pletely cleared him of any problems.and Issued a fairly impressive report about the state of Dash's condition" Notwithstanding this finding, how- ever, I find that the evidence was insufficient 'to sustain the judge's con- clusion that this examination was motivated by unlawful reasons Dash refused to concede that he was ill or disabled and resisted the release of his medical information while at the same time seeking disability benefits from the Respondent In these circumstances, the General Counsel failed to establish by a preponderance of the evidence that the Respondent's re- quiring Dash to undergo an examination to determine his condition was discriminatorily motivated DECISION STATEMENT OF THE CASE WALLACE H. NATIONS, Administrative Law Judge. Charges were filed against Lawyers Cooperative Pub- lishing Company (Respondent) on January 1:4, 1980, by Office and Professional Employees International Union, AFL-CIO-CLC, on November 12, 1980, by Stanley Dash, on February 20, 1981, by Robert Carduner, and on February 20, 1981; by Irving Kensler, each resulting in the issuance of complaints against the kespOndent. All' of the Individual cases were consolidated for hearing. The consolidated complaint alleges that during the course• of a union organizing campaign and thereafter the Respond- ent has unlawfully interrogated its employees,. created the impression of surveillance of its employees, threat- ened its employees because of tiniOn activity, granted benefits during the course of the union campaign, dis- charged employees Stanley Dash, Robert Carduner, Irving Kensler, Richard Warner, and Hubert Redd, and disciplined employee David Outlaw because of union ac- tivity. The, consolidated cases were heard in Milwaukee, WiscOnsin, on July 20-30, 1981; in Washington, D.0 , on August 11-19, 1981; and again in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, on August 24,25, 1981. Briefs were received from the General Counsel and the Respondent._ . I THE BUSINESS OF THE RESPONDENT Lawyers Cooperative Publishing Company (LCP) of Rochester, New York, engages . in the sale and publica- tion of law books and other legal publications on a 'na- tionwide basis. It has admitted the jurisdictional allega- tions of the, I consolidated complaint. I find that it is an employer within the meaning of the Act and that it will effectuite the Policies of the Act to assert jurisdiction in this proceeding. • II, THE LABOR ORGANIZATION INVOLVED - Office and Professional Employees International Union, AFL-CIO-CLC is- a labor organization within the meaning of the Act. III. UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICE ALLEGATIONS A Background Lawyers ,Cooperative Publishing Company of Roches- ter, New York (LCP), is one of the nation's leading pub- lishers of law books and other legal publications It mar- kets its products primarily through a large sales force of commissioned 'salespersons. The Company has divided its sales territory into various regions managed by regional managers, who report to a national sales manager. This manager is directly responsible to LCP's vice president of marketing and its president. The basis for the involved union organizing campaign had its inception in 1977 when the Company abandoned its former compensation plan for sales representatives and introduced what it calls a "subscription growth" plan. The details of this plan are unnecessary to the deci- sion of this proceeding , It is sufficient to know that the plan had the effect , of reducing sales commissions for many senior sales representatives because of various fac- tors beyond their 'control. The operation of the subscrip- tion growth plan from the outset caused dissatisfaction among many of the Company's field sales representa- tives. Although this dissatisfaction was made known to management in a variety of ways, LCP's management was and is committed to the subscription growth plan. Some 'adjustments to the plan were made in the first 2 years after its introduction to cure some of its deficien- cies, but, opposition to the plan remained among the Company's sales representatives. One of the LCP sales LAWYERS PUBLISHING CO. 137 representatives, Stanley Dash, determined that the only solution to the problem was to have the Company's field sales representatives form or join a union. He also be- lieved that with the aid of a union solutions could be found to other perceived problems including the Compa- ny's pension plan, its disparate treatment of salespersons in the field compared with personnel in the home office, and the manner in which sales quotas were computed In early December 1979, Dash organized a conference call between himself and several other sales representa: tives including alleged discriminatee Irving Kensler. Dash indicated that he had received union authorization cards from the Chicago branch of the Office and Profes- sional Employees International Union (the Union) as well as advice on an organizing campaign with a list of do's and don'ts to be used during the campaign. The sales representatives participating in the conference call indicated interest in the Union, and Dash had authoriza- tion cards sent to these persons for distribution to the re- mainder of the sales force Knowledge of the organizing campaign which resulted in a Board election on May 8, 1980, came to the Compi- ny's management on January 9, 1980. Though, some of the Company's lower-level management may have known or heard rumors , that such a campaign was being conducted at a slightly earlier date, I credit the Compa: ny's witnesses that its top nianagement did not become aware of the campaign until January 9. Immediately fol- lowing receipt of knowledge of the campaign, the Com- pany contacted its attorneys for advice on how to combat the organizing drive. LCP admits that it did not want the Union and sought advice On how to win the campaign. Acting on advice of counsel, Company Vice ,President of Marketing Richard Anderson and National Sales Man- ager Peter Bissett called each of the 11 regional manag- ers on January 10 and 11 and sought their knowledge of any union organizing campaign. The regional managers expressed no knowledge of the campaign. Shortly there- after, again after meeting with counsel, the regional man- agers were called by Bissett and Anderson and asked to telephone one or two of their sales representatives to state that they had heard a rumor about union organizing and ask if the representatives were aware of it. The re- gional managers were instructed to say nothing further, not to inquire who was involved, not to inquire whether authorization cards had been distributed or signed, and not to ascertain underlying issues or grievances. Howev-' er, it is clear from the evidence that though these in- structions may have been given, the regional managers 'in varying degrees failed to carry them out with care. The regional managers violated the Act by illegally interro- gating their sales representatives, creating an atmosphere of surveillance, and implying that benefits would result from staying nonunion After the initial canvass of the sales representatives by the regional managers, it became clear that an organizing campaign was well underway. Acting upon advice of counsel, LCP decided to have the regional managers explain in one-on-one conversations the significance of union authorization cards. The in- structions given the regional managers were to. (1) meet face to face with each sales representative, (2) state that the Company was aware of the organizing attempt, (3) state that cards had' been sent out, and (4) state that the Company wanted its sales representatives to know the significance of the cards The Company also instructed the regional managers not to ask questions about any individual's participation in union activities and to state that they were not inter- ested in whether the representatives received a card, signed it, or sent one back. The regional managers were also told not to make any threats and not to promise anything. In explaining the significance Of the authoriza- tion cards, the regional managers were to make the fol- lowing statements. (1) If a majority of the sales repre- sentatives signed the cards and sent them back, the Union can go to LCP's management and say, "We have a majority of the people who want a union and we want to represent them." The Company can agree and there will be no election (2) if a majority of the people sign the cards and send them in resulting in an election, though the election may be lost by the Union, it could go to the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) and tell it they had a majority, that the Company Must have done some- thing to cause the election against them, and a new elec- tion can be held or the NLRB Can direct the Union to be the repiesentative and (3) if the cards were signed, you can request the cards to be returned. The regional managers were told to listen and answer questions, if questions were asked, but not to ask or ques- tion anybody about anything They were also instructed to report to Bissett and keep him informed but to be ex- tremely careful about what they said and how they han- dled themselves. The face-to-face meetings between the regional manag- ers and the individual sales representatives took place generally between January 14-18, 1980 After these meetings, LCP conducted " ,its campaign primarily through letters, and the use of the . other officials in the Company, including Thomas Gosnell, its president, Donald Bennett, Vice President of Personnel Anderson, and Bissett..Following the regional manager-sales repre- sentatives meetings about the authorization cards, LCP gave the, regional managers further guidelines on how to conduct themselves during the organizing drive. On Jan- uary 22, LCP mailed to each regional manager a four- page summary of dos and don'ts for supervisors. On Feb- ruary 4-6, a meeting for regional managers was held in Chicago at .which time LCP's labor counsel explained the election process, elaborated on the dos and don'ts, talked of probable union campaign techniques, and ex- plained how LCP's campaign would be run. . At the same meeting, the regional managers were , asked to fill out questionnaires on the sales representa- tives working in their regions. These questionnaires, among other things, required the regional managers to give their best estimate of their sales representatives union sympathies. Following the, Chicago meeting, LCP carried out a campaign based on letters from President Gosnell, com- munication meetings with Gosnell, and informational meetings where Bennett, Bissett, and Anderson explained LCP's benefit programs and marketing procedures. The 138 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD General Counsel urges that the initial meetings of the re- gional manager's with the sales representatives, the meet- ing of company management with groups of sales repre- sentatives, the company letters to the sales representa- tives, and changes in the company's pension 'program and compensation program during the course of the cam- paign, all constitute. violations of the Act. During the course of the campaign, -LCP threatened Stanley Dash with probation and placed sales representa- tive David Outlaw on probation for 6 months. Following the election, in May 1980, which the Union lost, the Company discharged one of its regional managers, Rich- ard Warner. It also engaged in a course of harassment of Stanley Dash which is discussed in detail at a later point in this decision. Region 30 and LCP entered into a com- prehensive settlement in Case ,3-CA-5603 in September 1980, which was set aside when LCP . discharged Dash in November. Earlier in August LCP discharged sales rep:. resentative Irving Kensler. LCP discharged Regional Manager Robert Carduner following , a meeting with company attorneys in preparation of LCP's defense of the reopened proceeding. In October, sales representa- tive Hubert Redd was discharged. It is alleged that the motivation for all of the above personnel actions was LCP's union animus and thus each action is alleged to be a violation of the Act. B. Discussion and Conclusions 1. Implementation 'of five-percent buffer to • subscription growth plan during the campaign On March 4, 1980, the Respondent announced the im- plementation of a so-called five-percent buffer, a 'change in the existing compensation plan This - new plan was an- nounced to sales representatives at meetings held in March 1980. The purpose of the change was to ease some of the more adverse effects of the subscription growth plan which began in 1977 and about which there had been much controversy among the sales representa- tives Development of the five-percent buffer began in April 1979, which LCP Vice President of Marketing An- derson initiated discussions with his counterpart in Ban: croft Whitney, a wholly owned subsidiary' of LCP. By May 1979, both vice presidents were corresponding on the elements of what was to become the five-percent buffer plan and the plan had been placed on the agenda of a July management meeting for discussion. During June 1979, Anderson had some initial figures prepared regarding the dollars that might be involved in changing the then-current compensation plan. At the July meeting, the five-percent buffer Plan Was agreed on and a decision was made to' implement the plan by January 1, 1980, conditioned on the Company's. receiving a satisfactory indepth cost-benefit analysis The plan, at this point, was detailed as indicated by a memo- randum introduced into evidence. In August 1979, infor- mation on how much the five-percent -buffer would affect the sales representatives' commissions was being collected. These figures were sent to LCP's comptroller for verification and a discrepancy was discovered in the calculations In September, Anderson decided that the quantity of information for determining the cost-benefit analysis was not sufficient and further information was c011ected The comptroller recomputed the figures and another meeting was scheduled for review of the plan in November 1979. At the November meeting management decided to get more information to further refine the cal- culations. Because of this information request, the Com- pany decided that it was impossible to implement the five-percent buffer on January 1, 1980, because the final figures'would still be coming in The decision was made at 'this time to present the final revised plan to the re- gional managers at a scheduled February 1980 meeting in Hawaii before announcing it generally. It was also agreed at that point that the five-percent buffer would be made retroactive to January 1, 1980 At the November' meeting, the president of LCP gave his final approval to the five-percent buffer plan subject only to the final figures being simiar to the acceptable calculations that had already been made.' About January 3, 1980, the vice 'president of Bancroft Whitney asked Anderson whether the final calculation could be cOmpuied in, time to announce the buffer plan at the Hawaii meeting. Anderson responded on January 8 that the figures were not yet completed but that he would do his best. Anderson also testified that he also decided at this time to hold a small- meeting of regional managers from LCP and Bancroft Whitney to be sure that there would be no differences of opinion between the companies as there had been in the past. This meet- ing was held in Dallas' with satisfactory results and the five-percent buffer was announced to the regional man- agers at a general management meeting held in Hawaii in March The plan was announced shortly thereafter to sales representatives. I find from the evidence that the five-percent buffer was developed and a decision to implement it had been made prior to the beginning of the union organizing campaign and the time that the Company gained knowl- edge of the drive. Thus, I find that the plan was not instituted and imple- mented in order to influence the election in violation of the Act. As both the decision to implement the plan and the timing for the announcement of the plan was made prior to the Company's knowledge of the campaign, I conclude that the timing of the announcement of the plan. was consistent with the Company's prior actions in announcing changes in compensation plans and was not unlawful See B. L. K. Steel, 245 NLRB 1347 (1979). Therefore, I recommend that the complaint, insofar as it alleges a violation of the Act in this regard, be dismissed. 2. Lowering the forecasts The complaint alleges that LCP granted a. general re- duction in sales quotas to sales representatives in viola- tion of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act The 1980 sales quotas were given to the representatives after LCP had knowl- edge of the union organizing campaign. However, the foreCasts themselves were prepared pursuant to a consist- ' The Dallas meeting is significant because it was mentioned by some regional managers to their sales representatives in advance of the meet- ing, with the implication that improved benefits might be forthcoming LAWYERS PUBLISHING CO' - 139 ent company policy at a time well before January 9. The procedure for developing forecasts begins about August of the 'year preceding the forecast year- with sales repre- -' sentatives submitting' their quotas These requests are paired with'Company goals under a rather complicated 3procedure which results in final' quotas by December. "Additionally, though many sales representatives' sales forecasts were lowered, at least one-third of the sales representatives' forecasts were increased for the year '1981 The General Counsel failed' to meet the burden of . proof to support the allegation that ther• Company: low- , ered the forecasts :in' order to have-an effect on-the union 'organizing campaign and, accordingly,-I recommend that the complaint, insofar as it alleges a violation of the Act in this regard•be dismissed. _ . • 3.- Washington meeting between Gosnell, ,FOgel, - • •, Mann„and Kensler, • . A Meeting between' LCP' President Gosnell,' LCP Treasurer •Seymour Fogel;' and • sales representatives David Mahn and 'Irving Kensler was held in Washing- ton, 'D.C.; in a' hdteron Aprir 11, - 1980. The, complaint alleges that at this meeting Gosn'ell interrogated the .rep- resentatives concerning-their union adtivities-and sympa- thies, solicited Complaints and grievances from Mann and Kensler, promised increased benefits' and 'improved con- ditions of employment, created an impression of surveil- lance by asking' Mann and Kensler- the names of- other • employees involved in Organizing the Union, and 'sought to undermine the Union's organizing drive' by soliciting them' to inform other employees-of-their antiunion sym- 'pathieS in order to cause them : to abandon support for the Union. '•' • • • Everything about this meeting is in controversy - The General Counsel contends, through the testimony of Re- gional Manager Robert Carduner and Kensler, that the meeting was set 'up at the insistence of KenSler in a mes- sage relayed through Carduner. As to the meeting itself, its content is in complete dispute. Kensler, on the one ,,hand, contends that his active participation was limited :• to a momentary attempt ,to explain an. alternative -to ,the Company's •subscription growth plan, after which he was cut, off and ,interrogateclaby, Fogel' and Gosnell, A to the union organizing campaign and what could be done to defeat it GOsnell and Fogel, on, the other hand, submit that Kensleil presented a' very detailed alternate compen- sation . plan and other lideas on how to defeat the union organizing campaign. They contend, that at no time did they interrogate either representative, promise any im- proved benefits, or request the identities of any persons involved in-the organizing campaign. With respect to this meeting, _I believe that the testi- mony given by Fogel and Mann is the most credible. The General 'Counsel points to the testimony of 'Car- ' -duner-ancrKensler to the effect that' Gosnell;•-through • Bissett,'requested a meeting to be set up between Gosnell and several influential sales representatives. Bissett testi- ' -fled that Carduner contacted him , ' in March -or- early -April stating that he had been contacted by five repre- • sentativ'es who wanted' to meet with Gosnell for the, pur- pose of-resolving-the union problem 'Bissett further testi- fied the he instructed Caiduner to have tile sales repre- sentatives Contact Gosnell directly. Anderson testified that Carduner•later called him to:tonflrm• that twO.repre- sentatives identified' as Kensler• and- Mann. wanted to 'speak with Gosnell. Anderson 'also advised that they Should-- ccintact GoSnell directly' Regional 1'Mana'ger George Synder testified that Kensler/an 'late `Mareh,l.re- quested that he 'Set up'' ,̀a meeting between Gognell, Ken-sler, soihe influential sales representatives, and some regional managers. ■' ' One of the participants in the'ineeting, Rober Mann,-testified that Carduher called 'him about the meeting 'and • said nothing about 'acting at Gosnell's''direetion:'Mann, • ,a1SO recalled that dardtmer said; that .s.eYeral Sale repre- • sentatives:Were , gdihg tO he included in the meeting as of•fj.e the firSt' call. Carduner,:testified that he. wA never seek- ing more 'thantwO.Teleptione bills ' iritiOduced into _evi- , dence show :that during the period , immediatelji beidre i the rneeting-.Carduner ,talked:exte,nsively,with Mann and KenSler, including . nine ,Calls td"-Mann on:Apri1 . 9. --As the• Respondent points out, these . are, hardly the acts , of •pne who is acting solely as an intermediary. I also agree -with'.the Respondent that the hotel ar- .rangements indicate , that . Kensler and Mann initiated the meeting. A blackhoaid was Placed'in the nieeting' room at Mann'4 recine4t • The Respondent Urges, and airee,• that if Kensler and Mann . were meeting with r, . osnell' d' solely at his- request, the , purpose of, the meetink being - left 'unstated then no arrangements would have been made ' to , have availabie ' a blackboard fOr a 'Presentation.„ , With respect to, the,eyentsrat ,the,meeting, Kensler:s and , Mann's testimony,. conflict sharply As noted earlier, kensler testified that Gosnell interrogated Mann and him with respect, to the identity of other union supporters, so- _ licited grievances, and encouraged them to work against the Union. .0n the other ,hand, „Mann testified that Kensler made a lengthy presentation with respect to an alternate compensation. plan that he had devised and..uti- lized notes. Kensler denies haying , any„..notes ,Kensler stated that he never vindicated- opposition to, the Union at this meeting or at any-other time, although Manntesti- fled that both he and,,Kensler ,stated at the meeting that „ they were, opposed to the organizing drive. Seymour Fogel, a yery credible witness based on demeanor -and -manner, verified-,these ,portions of.. Mann's testimony. •Fogel testified-that at the meeting Kensler stated his op- position to the ,Union and that -he had 'a- plan to defeat the Union:-X'ensler- then -explained the sales representa- -lives' _opposition to the subscription growth 'plan pro- ' gram and offered in a lengthy fashion an alternative compensation plan Kensler utilized the blackboard toes- 'plain his program:' 'Fogel also testified that Kensfer pro- posed • that-•he be reinstated as national sales, manager to replace Bissett.. I can find, no credible evidence at this -meeting Gosnell actually interrogated Kensler. or' Mann -about the 'identities of union supporters dr . promised any benefits. However, Mann-testified-,that President Gosnell asked him about what' he doing about defeating the - . Union and why he was not on : the-telephone callin'g and telling other sales representatives 'about his .view-of the Union -Mann further testified 'that .Gosnell said thats'Was What he should be doing 'Although Gosnell denies these 140 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD statements,-Fogel testified 'that-near the ,end of the-meet- - ing •Kensler ,gratuitously said that, he was either, going to the salespersons or if any of the -salespersons called him he .was _going to tell them-to vote against the Union. , Fogel testified that Gosriell!s response to that ,_was some- • thing like, "Well, Irv, you know I cannot tell What you , can or cannot do. -But, if you're to do that, that would be „nice" or "ICs nice to know that you're on the Company's side." . I credit Mann's testimony corroborated, at least in part, by Fogel, ,. that :Gos,nell urged both , Mann and Kensier to take -action to discourage 'union support ' , Among their fellow, sales representatives I' find that Gos- nell's:dctions in this iegard dOilgtitute a_direction to dis- courage other einployee“rom sUpkOrting the Union and is a violation of Section '8(a)(I)'of the Act. See Galax Ap: T pare! Corp., 247, NIII3 159; ,In' all , Other re- spects;, I find the actions , takenty the Respondent 's' nian- agement at the Washingtonineeting tci he nonViOlative of the Act and will re-commend that the 'other'-allegations relating to this meeting be dismissed. 4. Gosnell- information meetings . ... • .1,_During the campaign in the sprin 'g of the Re- spondent, seheduled a series Of meeting's between itS'sales rekreientatives and President Gosnell' At thee meetings, Gosnell gave what' he char racterized as an unstructured . presentation, of the Company's point of View- with re- ; Spect td the Union.. "After' this portion of the meeting, Gosnell solicited comments from the sales idkresentatives in an attempt 'to -answer' their- questions.: -The General - - Counsel *es that" the ' Meetings -conkitiited an unfair 'labor practice -Tin that' they were 'a - departure from the Company's past -practiCes in' 'Commu- iiicating! With -sales ì-epresentatiVes,''that the-comment sessions constituted so licitation 'of grieVanceS,''and that the answers 'given by tO.- a 'pr-omise to remedy suCh' griev- , ances- thereby constituting an impermissible prbmise 'of -"benefits to 'discourage union-support:. - -The Company's past' practice- with 'respect tO comniu- -. mcating With 'sales' representatives had been throligh..the nornial- - channels of' managemeni Management views Weie 'passed- - through. -Bissett to the regional -managers 'Who-- then - 'discussed whatever subject management - ::Wanted . them to with the sales representatives on a-one- ' . — tb-one basis . -Inforination 'that 'the 'sales ;representatives r wanted to 'mike known to the management -generally t passed back IO manageinent in the same fashion. Howev- er, the Company had a practice of having regional sales ; Meetings and annual meetings at which to- p Management •did speak to thcsales representatives and discuss compa- -,,ny policy with them. Thus,-_'Gosnell's_meetings. with the sales representatives were' not . unique to _the- organizing — campaign. The Respondent has the right to communicate : .its views 'and its policies : to-Ithe -Union 'during, the course 'of the , campaign. I cannot find- that the fact that Gosnell met with the sales, representatives in and of itself was un- • lawful.- - , The question.of whether or not Gosnell, by asking for -_,comments, .was soliciting grievances is 'anotherquestion ,- Clearly the Company wanted to explain its views.to the - sales 'representatives and wanted to hear the sales repre- sentatives' views or it would not have held the meetings. ..-Gosnell carefully avoided words such as grievance when asking for comments or questions relating to the topics about which he spoke, which included working ,condi- tiOns,. benefits, and the Company's commission plan. - However, under the circumstances, he was clearly asking the employees to- air their grievances.. The Board has ,.- held -that the vice in solicitation of grievances is that, by responding to the grievances, employers may either ex- ' pressly or impliedly promise to remedy them, thus prom- ising a- benefit. From the best 'evidence introduced- into . this record with respect to what Gosnell actually said, I cannot find tha he ever promised.oreven implied a-bene- lit in reponse to sales representatives' questions 'During the course of a question-and-answer session, a sales representative made a recording and thus preserved the questions and Gosnell's answers. This transcript re- veals that Gosnell; at worst; defended the Company's ex- isting policies There is not even a hint in the transcript - that Gosnell intended to change any policies, commission structure„ or other matters ,of interest to' the sales repre- sentatives. As there is no showing that there was some expressed or implied promise to-remedy real or , imagined -grievances, I cannot find _that Gosnell's responses consti- tuted an unfair labor, practice. There was some equivocal testimony ;given about Gospel] promising to review, the 'Company's commission policy ,with respect to one.set of books sold in New York: This testimony was not clear and- is at odds•with Gosnell's demonstrated performance as shown by the take of an actual meeting.. After review- ing all of.the evidence with respect to these meetings, I have concluded that, the , General , Counsel has failed to prove that the meetings constituted an unfair labor prac- tice and will recommend that the allegations of the com- plaint, based on these meetings,.he dismissed 5. The Company's antiunion letters .. 'During the course of the campaign; the- Respondent sent a series of letters to its sales representatives dealing with campaign issues It is contended that cerfain of these letters Contained statements which constitute unfair ; labor practices (a) In a letter dated April 2, '1980,'Presi- deni Gosnell wrote' thesales representatives, inter'alia Contrary to what you have been told, you do not need _to sign a card in order to vote- If you have al- " ready Signed a-card and you wish it back, you may get it back by writing to the Union requesting that ' it return your card to you. The Union's address is. ' Office and Professional -Employees International . Union, Local 2121, 290 Franklin Street, Rooin 203, Buffalo, New York 14202: ; The General Counsel urges that, this _statement consti- , tutes an unlawful solicitation of the employees to return their authorization cards. On brief, the General Counsel draws an 'analogybetween , the clearly ,unlawful supply- •ing of stamped, self-Addressed envelopes in a solicitation . of employees to withdraw with their authorization-cards to the Respondent's supplying the address of the Union, relying on Deutsch Co, 180 NLRB 8 at 20 (1969). , In- that case, the Board did find it unlawfuLfor, an employer to LAWYERS PUBLISHING CO. 141 . supply self-addressed, stamped postcards which required no More :than the employee's Signature to effect a revo-._ cation of his or ,her authorization. The question in the in- stant case is Muc.' h .closer.,First,,there is clearly no solici-, tation to Withdraw the , cards in the quoted paragraph • The 'supiilYing 'Of the Union's adddress is certainly not same 'as a stamped postcard w4lich only needs a Sigiiâfurel The employee ,Would have to actually • write - a. request' to withdraw antlioiiiation and supply - postage to effeCt the ,request.:Yet'supplYing the address and the-procedure for WithdraWing the 'Card, absent an 'employee -reqriest = for ' this infOrrnation, does iom. further than Merely' informing 'emPlOyees Of their right' to. with-_ „ _ _ -''draw their authonzation-if they Choose voluntarily to do • 'so On balarice,--in light Of' the 'strong campaign being _Waged by the Company against the-Organizing campaign, I find that the Employer in this regard_ has P■rovided more than information,to its employees and that its letter April ' 2, 1980, clOes' conStitute an 'unlawful solieitation to withdraw supp-ort from the- mon. , ,(b) Gosnell sent a letter ,dated April 14 to the sales -1-ePresentatives. Stating: , i‘ would- like you to take a' Minute to consider what„ • it would lbe. like living With : a Union;-'d the Union should :win 'the . election. , • ; , : - . NO LONGER Will you be able , to work directly -, with the- company as an individual. With a Union, an adversary seltio-riship between you and the com- v,. pany will 'exist-As -a matter of fact, the usual way - We will he required to work with you is through ,cy.Our.unioh.steward.' NO LONGER will itbe possible to make ,"jiidg- ment calls" in iridividnal, Sales situationS'. Strict rules and ,regulatiOnS as specified in a union Contract will , govern all aspects of your job and your relationship with the cOmpany. " . - 'NO 'LONGER will you have .individuality, flexi- bility, independence and , ability to completely plan your Own Work .schedule.`With'a union, all Working s 'dnditio'ns,, sales quotas, and ,other job-related condi- 'tins as PrOviderl the CellecOe-bargaining agree- ment would have to be figidly and consistently en- ''''fOreed • . . - COrisidei what yon would give, ;up if you be- longed to a union. Although the Respondent. has the right to make predic- tions as to what 'might ,happen . as a_result of a union vic- tory based on objective facts, it does not have the right to make misstatements of .law, and threats. of worsened . morking_conditions. The April 14:-letter is-not couched in terms. of_ what :could-happen as a result of bargaining. t Rather, _I believes it is . couched -in terms, of what will ..-happen.;Thus, -that, it constitutes a- threat of harsher working conditions and thus is unlawful in its en- , ttrety., See Colony printing, 249 NLRB, 223, 224 (1980), _ntd. 651- Rai .502 (7th Cir. 1 .981)s The letter!s_ misstate- tnent concerning .employees' rights to speak- directly to management about terms' and conditiOn 's of ,employment is,also impermissible under BOard law.. (c), In a letter dated April15,_ 1980, President Gosnell , wrote.the sales representatiyes,.inter aim What does a strike mean'to yon? It means: . 1. LoSs of income, • . 2. Loss of custOrners to cOmpetition'• • 3. Logs of job (in the event Of an economic ' strike, you can be permanently' replaced). Remember, the-Onion's only real strength its right to strike Don't take a chance vote "NO " I find that this paragraph of -the letter constitutes an unfair labor praCtice in that it both infers that permanent 'loss of job will be a 'result of a strike and fails to give 'even ;a hint Of the existence of an employee's poststrike rights. See Laidlaw Corp., 171-NLRB 1366 (1968), enfd 414L -F.2d 99 . (7th Cif: -1969), cert: denied 397 ,-U S 920 (1970): - ' - " • 6 Changes in LCP's pension plan On April 10, 1986, the Respondent advised its_employ- _ ees that it had Changed its pension plan' to make it more 'generous. The credible eVidence reveals that ni April 'or May 1979 Company Vice President Of 'Personnel Donald Bennett began to,queStion whether the Cornpany's exist- ing plan was adequate and competitive He , initiated a StudY:of this' plan in 'Comparison with others using pri- V,ate, actuarial Consultants..The'study . Wa cOmpleted and , given to Bennett in Jiine 1979. Reviewing , the study, Bennett decided, that the LCP _plan was not ComPetitive - and began a program to 1determine how' to adjust the. . plan to make it .mbre competitive The record refleCts :correspondence respecting possihle. changes' in the retire- Ment plan passing betweeti . the cOnsultants 'and J_,CP throughout the period of August to November 1979 . The Company initially had hoped to implement the changes in this,-retirement plan , on January 1, 1980. The Company had historically always announced and institut- ed changes- in its retirenient program on either January 1 or July 1. Because the information required tO make a final decision about_ the pension plan was put together too 'late to meet the ,Januaiy , 1;_,deadline, the "Company next set July 1,' 1980, ,as the date that the _new plan wciuld be implemented.' The changes were made final -and aPProved in 'the _latter part of March 1980.- These changes -Were announced on 'April 16, 1980, 1 month- . ,before the union election _ , Based on the foregoing, I 6elieve that' the changes'in. „ the- benefit plan had nothing whatsoever to do with' the union' organizing campaign: However, I do believe that the timing of the announcement wasSelected because of 'theCompany's desire`to defeat the organizing effort. The timing of the announcement appears to be a 'substantial deviation from past practice.- :The,,Company's stated . reason for the April announcement • Was that a large amount of clerical work had tO be done to prepare the date necessary to determine the proper amounts to be paid to' each retiree ,on July . 1 The Company contends that this work could not be done in ,a;"closet" and that it ' felt that the fact of' the, impending .changes in the plan wOuld scion become widely known. It felt, therefore, that 142 DECISIONS OF'INIA el'IONACLABOR RELATIONS BOARD ` it had to 'make a' public-i annOtincement.-Whji these rea- sons had never applied to 'the-announcerhent of dny 'pfe- vious changes to a pension plan is ,not explained in the record and I find thein undonVinZing:;Accordingly, I find that the announcement of the pension plan changes was motivated, at least in a substantial part, Tok the effect it would haveiri resblYini one ,of the hales representa-„ plimary , grievances and *as designed to affect the outcome of the election. - AccOrdingl5i, I find 'that' the Re- spondent - violated SectiOn_8(a)(1)' by the,thning' of its an- nouncement of the'PrOposed pension changes. '- ' 4 ‘Beimei't's 'promise of a benefit '-; March' '1980; at a meeting-in which the-five:percent- In ..,..buffer program :was described:to several of the;sales rep- •r:resentatives, in 'a private conversation,' sales representa- tive Joseph Robinson asked(Personnel •Director Bennett about possible changes in the Company's short-teriff.dis- ability program. Bennett indicated to Robinson that the program was •under-revieW by management: The General Counsel ,contends', that Bennett's response implies, a promise of 'beriefit§", especially so since it was Made at a time when the' five percent buffer program had'ju'st been anikunced. - _ , 'The ReSporident asserts thaii the program had, ' been under for some time dating back to the 'fail ofrt • AT,' • . _ 1979. -It also cites the'testimOhy, of Robinson that Bennett did not say anything favorable about the review and did nöt :indicate Whether 'there would or would riot be a -change in the program. There is no, evidence that llen- hett's response 'Was untrue. , In these circumstances''Ben- nett's lacknowledgement of the review Without More does not constitute arOimplied promise of benefit. AC-, cordingly I would recommend itiat the c011iplainflie -dis- ' missed inofar'd§ fit allegesa` viOlation of Section 8fat(1) • . ■iby virtue of Bennett 's response., • •-•-, . • . . = ,•'; •8. Bissetesv-threat of discharge of-Talbor-4- . •• • f --- ,In March .1980, at ,a . mee*ig:. held for ,certain of the salés representatives _irl'53,racuse; New York; to -OisCuss the .five-percent"buffei,:National Sales Manager, BiSSeti•.is alleged t6 have had a,threatening conversation N,Tvith sales„_•. 'representative Gregg -Talbot 'Talbot was a young sales representative:, biought_ into the , Company by •Bissett, who acted as his first.regional manager The ,ev,idence :fleets that piisett considered 'Talbot 'something' of a, Pro- k • t t- t • tege. After the company meeting, the two went.tO,dinner and then to a cocktail lounge„BiSsett remarked 'to Talbot that:he had been doing rather well for .a young mah; light , of his, baCkground, .that' "I 7was doing pretty,,good for a kia, that typ,e Of a statenien. l." , -Talbot's. futiher Cestirriony .regardind this conv_-eisation is as 'follows: Q . What else did he say? - - . - A. Well he'§ald I wa§ inaking" a lot of money to 7 'which I said,= "Well", I- said, `,1' am' Paying a - lot' of ta;A'now.".,And that Was 'the thrust Of 'tile eonver- ':. -'s'atiorE_Well; following' that 'now' I' must saj, I Was somewhat taken aback when I' said I was -Paying a 'hit of taxes.' He said,' "Well, we could fix that" And 'I 'said,' "How is that." And he said, "We cduld 'file - • ' 011,7 Which Wa§ •otit 'of-the bide- to• geerily .'breath back And I said","Hów could that happen or il 'o'is-rtha0" And lie'said, "YO1.1‘. s̀hOuld be Care- ' ful how you act You should ` -ite'Re'inber where §ou .- -c-aine -fro' rn." And'ihat . was'ihelnd'orthe- eonYei§a- • .• • - • ,:,.... • l z ,07neon. Now would hie fol-diteiCt":'iOtiC atVniionl'to te next afternoon. Did you have an,othef convrersa- '664 .with'Mr 'Bissett? • • A. Yes. We mef intthe, lobby. There ,was a lot iof- ,, people i•hovinground ind the.,Holidayirin. , And he . had a completely' differeni demeatiOr ` abOnt,huh: He, . indicated .ihat. the ,futu,re. managers, were cOniing , from you- ng people like thyself. Andlhat,I hd a lot places, to (go.; And bnefly;.just said „ - , tt;at.„„, The General Counsel contend's that •the threat to 'fire Talbot was a serious one and was designed; to threaten him about any union activ,- ity Bissell's yersion °-ç ha ._-4 conversation is very §imilaf' to tt_ given ,,Iby ,albot except the motivation for the staterriehi is far diffeient ,than that, suggested -by , the, General -Counsel!, Bissett testi- fied.tliat the, conversation toolc-place out , ofhis pride in the success enjoyed by Talbotjle explained,that, in the past when he complamed ,aboutpayinga lot of taxes, his former boss' had alWays told him that ilhe had no job he 'could pay no taxes: He testifieetlial'ite'inerely repeated that `admit-lent te Talbot. He ` fhtheilii-med ihat his com- ment -about watching 'how Talbot acted,Was-predicated- - on the fact" that Talbot was Perfdr'ining far' better than . many of the people his own , age. *He.:Wag , cOikcl 'eien'ed that if Talbot with these belfille in'tlie evening he cou no con mue to per orm successfully as a sa es rep- .I 't 1 f'' reseritatix)e: Based the demeanor'of the witnesses, I, . „ 'fullj, credit Bissett's explaiiatiOn for ttieConyeisatiOn. His .rentarks had nothing to do with -,Unio. ii' actiVitY. There has been ,n6 showing .in'this. 'reeofCopy with citationCopy as parenthetical citation