Darlington Manufacturing Co.Download PDFNational Labor Relations Board - Board DecisionsJun 27, 1967165 N.L.R.B. 1074 (N.L.R.B. 1967) Copy Citation 1074 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD Darlington Manufacturing Company, Deering Milliken & Co., Inc., and Deering Milliken, Inc. and Textile Workers Union of America, AFL-CIO. Case 11-CA-1071. June 27, 1967 SUPPLEMENTAL DECISION ON REMAND BY CHAIRMAN MCCULLOCH AND MEMBERS FANNING, BROWN, AND ZAGORIA On October 17, 1956, the stockholders of Darlington Manufacturing Company voted to liquidate the cotton mill operated by the Company in Darlington, South Carolina. This action followed closely a representation election, held on September 6, 1956, in which a majority of the employees of Darlington had selected the Textile Workers Union of America to represent them for purposes of collective bargaining. The Union, the Charging Party here, filed unfair labor practice charges against the Company with the National Labor Relations Board, alleging, inter alia, that the liquidation (completed by December 17, 1956) constituted a violation of the National Labor Relations Act, as amended, primarily of Section 8(a)(3), the provision that condemns discriminatory action taken by an employet to discourage union membership. The charges also alleged that, in various ways, Darlington had unlawfully refused to bargain with the Union, thus violating Section 8(a)(5) of the Act, and that, both prior to and after the election, Darlington had engaged in numerous independent violations of Section 8(a)(1), which provision forbids coercion or interference directed against the fundamental right to act collectively, assured to employees by Section 7. An extensive series of legal proceedings,' including amendments to the complaint naming Deering Milliken & Co., Inc., and its successor, Deering Milliken, Inc., as additional respondents, culminated in a Decision and Order issued by this Board on October 18, 1962. In that Decision, reported at 139 NLRB 241, a majority of the Board found that Respondent Darlington had closed its plant at least partly because the employees had chosen to organize; this action violated Section 8(a)(3); employees are not left ^emediless when their employer discharges them en masse for antiunion reasons, even though the discharge may take the form of termination of his entire enterprise; Darlington and the affiliated Deering Milliken corporations were essentially a single employer, jointly and severally liable to remedy the unfair labor practices committed at Darlington; and these Respondents were also to be held accountable for the violations found under Section 8(a)(5) and (1). The Board ordered the Respondents to reimburse the discharged ' Descnbed in detail at 139 NLRB 241, 242 employees for wages lost from the time of discharge until they were offered reinstatement or placed on preferential hiring lists in other Deering Milliken- controlled mills, ordered Respondents to bargain with the Union about the reemployment procedures, and required advertising and mailing of the customary notices. On review, the Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit, sitting en banc, denied enforcement 325 F.2d 682. The court of appeals (Judges Bell and Sobeloff dissenting) held that, accepting arguendo the Board's findings of motive and single employer, an employer has an absolute right to close out his business, in part or in whole, even if his action is "spurred by unionization." The court accordingly found no violation of Section 8(a)(3). Additionally, it held that the 8(a)(5) and (1) offenses were not subject to remedy "as Darlington is no longer alive." Having granted certiorari, the Supreme Court affirmed the court of appeals insofar as it had ruled that an employer may entirely terminate his business for any reason, including a desire to spite the union, without incurring liability. 380 U.S. 263. The Court disagreed, however, with the further holding of the court of appeals that all permanent partial closings are similarly lawful. It ruled instead that the permanent closing of part of an employer's enterprise may be violative of Section 8(a)(3) if "motivated by a purpose to chill unionism in any of the remaining plants of the single employer and if the employer may reasonably have foreseen that such closing would likely have that effect." 380 U.S. 263, 275. Since the Board had made no express findings on these issues of "purpose" and "effect," the Court vacated the judgment of the court of appeals, with instructions that the case be remanded to the Board for findings on these matters. Thereafter, the General Counsel moved the Board to reopen the proceeding for the purpose of supplementing the record with additional evidence bearing upon "purpose" and "effect." Respondents filed memoranda of opposition to the motion and also requested that the General Counsel furnish a bill of particulars specifying the evidence he proposed to adduce. Pursuant to the Board's direction, the General Counsel submitted a bill of particulars. The Respondents thereafter filed supplementary responses, renewing their opposition to the motion. On October 25, 1965, the Board granted the motion of the General Counsel, deeming it "appropriate that all parties be afforded an opportunity to supplement the record in the light of the vital requisites which the Supreme Court has now explicated for the first time as governing a case of this kind." Subsequently, hearings were held before Trial Examiner Lloyd Buchanan on various days between November 1965 and March 1966. On August 10, 1966, the Trial Examiner issued his 165 NLRB No. 100 DARLINGTON MFG. CO. Supplemental Decision, in which he found, on both the evidence taken at the most recent hearings and that received at earlier hearings and presently cited by the parties, that the General Counsel had not established by a preponderance of the evidence that (1) those persons exercising control over Darlington were moved to close the plant by the required illicit purpose of chilling unionism; (2) it was realistically foreseeable to such persons that the closing would have that effect; or (3) the closing did, in fact, have a chilling effect. In conformity with these conclusions, the Trial Examiner recommended that the 8(a)(3) allegation against the Respondents be dismissed. The General Counsel has filed exceptions to the Trial Examiner's Supplemental Decision and a brief in support of the exceptions. The Union has filed exceptions. Respondent Deering Milliken, Inc., has filed a brief in support of the Supplemental Decision, an answering brief, and cross-exceptions. Respondent Darlington has filed an answering brief and cross-exceptions. While both Respondents have requested the opportunity for oral argument before the Board, we believe that the record, the exceptions, and the briefs adequately present the positions advanced by the Respondents and accordingly deny the request. The Board has reviewed the rulings made by the Trial Examiner at the hearing and finds that no prejudicial error was committed. The rulings are hereby affirmed, except as otherwise modified below. The Board has considered the opinion of the Supreme Court, the Trial Examiner's most recent Supplemental Decision, his prior Decisions, the exceptions and briefs, and the entire record in this case. Our appraisal of the evidence leads us to find, in disagreement with the Trial Examiner, that the General Counsel has established that the closing of Darlington was "intended to be and was a grim deterrent to the thousands of employees in the affiliated plants who might entertain similar notions of unionization,"2 and that the persons exercising control over Darlington reasonably foresaw that the closing would likely have the intended effect. The plant operated by the Darlington Manufacturing Company was a carded-cotton textile mill located in Darlington, South Carolina. In 1956, it employed about 525 persons and accounted for one- third of the economy of this town of some 6,700 population. In March 1956, the Textile Workers Union of America began an organizational campaign at Darlington which resulted in a representation election, won by the Union, on September 6, 1956. The preelection period was marked by many incidents of coercive conduct engaged in by Darlington's officials and supervisors, including a 2 N.L R B. v. Deenng Milliken & Company, Inc., 325 F.2d 682, 691 (C A. 4) (dissenting opinion). 3 In the South, there were 20 mills located in South Carolina, 3 in Georgia, and 2 in North Carolina The Georgia and North 1075 number of threats of plant closing in the event of a union victory. After the election, some employees were told that their action in voting for the Union would result in their names being placed on a blacklist. The majority of the stock of Darlington and of 16 other corporations operating 27 nonunionized textile mills in both the Southern and the New England States3 was owned, through direct ownership of stock and ownership of other corporations, by members of the Milliken family, frequently characterized in these proceedings as "the lineal descendants of Seth Milliken." As described in the Trial Examiner's Second Supplemental Decision, our original Decision, and Judge Bell's dissenting opinion in the court of appeals, the Milliken family not only possessed controlling interest in the manufacturing corporations which operated the 27 mills, but also actively and personally managed those interests. A majority of the board of directors of each corporation, save one, were Millikens. But the chief figure in the family hierarchy was Roger Milliken. By 1956, Milliken-dominated directorate had appointed Roger-Milliken to the presidency of all the corporations but one, and he served as vice president and director of that one. As president and member of the board of Deering Milliken & Co., Inc., which served as selling agent and factor of accounts receivable for all the mills and which also held a substantial amount of stock of Darlington and the other corporations, as chief executive of almost all of the manufacturing corporations, and as the member of the family assigned to perform all of these functions, Roger Milliken was manifestly the appointed steward of the Milliken family interests and the Deering Milliken fortunes. Roger Milliken resided in Spartanburg, South Carolina, about 115 miles from Darlington. During the organizing effort, he had been kept abreast of the Union's progress by James Oeland, the mill treasurer (resident chief executive) of Darlington, through the medium of the weekly business report furnished him by Oeland. A few days after the September 6 election, Milliken called a special meeting of the board of directors for September 12 to consider the liquidation of Darlington. The board, four of whose members belonged to the Milliken family, met for 75 minutes, during which time they elected a new director, adopted a resolution to amend Darlington's pension plan in certain respects, and voted to recommend liquidation of the mill. According to the testimony in this case, the financial condition of Darlington was discussed at the board meeting. It was brought out that Darlington had averaged less than a 3-percent return on invested Carolina plants are near the border of South Carolina The number of hourly paid employees in these mills, as of the end of 1956, was more than 14,000 1076 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD capital in the previous 5 years,4 including the current year in which a loss of $40,000 was expected, and that, if market prices did not rise or costs decrease , a loss of $240,000 could be anticipated in the following year. According to the testimony of Roger Milliken, although these facts had been known prior to September 6, the election of the Union was considered to be an adverse factor of sufficient importance to warrant bringing the matter of the dissolution of Darlington to the board for consideration. The board was so informed at the meeting, with unspecific references to the impact on the Darlington financial picture which could be expected from the "promises" made to the employees by the Union. No member of the board appears to have inquired as to the nature of these promises. After the 30-day public notice required by South Carolina law, the stockholders met on October 11, 1956. A discussion of the situation, similar to that at the board meeting, ensued, with some stockholders strongly protesting the proposed action, in view of the consequences to the town of Darlington. As we found in our earlier Decision, at this meeting Roger Milliken expressly stated that he had decided to close the mill when the employees voted for the Union. 139 NLRB 241, 246. With Roger Milliken voting 72 percent of the stock, some personally held and the majority as proxy-holder, the stockholders accepted the recommendation to liquidate, and they further authorized an auction to be held on December 12 and 13, 1956. At the auction, the assets of Darlington were sold piecemeal to several purchasers. In our first Decision in this case, we found that the Union's election victory prompted the precipitate closing of Darlington. In agreement with the Trial Examiner, we concluded that the decision to shut the plant would not have been made but for the protected organizational activities of the employees. 139 NLRB 241, 246. Whatever the normal economic problems facing Darlington in 1956, it was beyond dispute that no serious consideration had been given to closing the mill until the Union was selected as the bargaining representative of the employees. To the contrary, in 1955 a textile engineering firm had been hired to provide a long-range survey of improvements necessary to the profitability of Darlington's future operations. By September 1956, $400,000 had been spent in the improvement program which had been adopted, and construction changes were being undertaken to accommodate newly purchased looms. Just 1 month before the 4 In 1952, 1-1/2 percent , in 1953,8 percent ; in 1954, slightly less than 2 percent; in 1955, about 3 percent ; and in 1956, a projected loss of 1 percent . The expected loss for the current year had been reported to Roger Milliken by Mill Treasurer Oeland in August. Milliken at that time took no steps to liquidate the mill or to halt the substantial capital improvement program which had been initiated in 1956 and which had, in the first 9 months of that year, board of directors met to recommend dissolution, Mill Treasurer Oeland had reported to Milliken that he expected the mill to lose $40,000 for the year. At that time, Milliken did not call an emergency meeting of the board of directors or suggest that the plant renovation be suspended. The manufacturing operation and the capital improvement program continued routinely and uninterrupted until the employees voted for the Union. Within a matter of days thereafter, the board of directors, at Milliken's behest, had recommended liquidation, and 5 weeks later, with Milliken casting the determinative vote, the stockholders had agreed to dissolve the corporation. Milliken told the other stockholders that he had decided to close the mill when the Union was voted in, and, immediately after the stockholders' meeting, he told a State senator that he would not run the mill, despite the existence of a disavowal petition which in the interim had been signed by 83 percent of the employees, as long as 17 percent of the work force remained loyal to the Union. On such evidence, we found that the election of the Union caused the closing of Darlington. At that time, we understood the law to be that when an employer takes discriminatory action against his employees because of their selection of a union as their bargaining agent, he violates the Act. Accordingly, having found that the election of the Union was a substantial cause of the plant's closing, a fact virtually conceded by Respondents, we held the closing unlawful under Section 8(a)(3). As we viewed the law, it seemed sufficient simply to determine whether the advent of the Union played a direct part in the decision to close Darlington. Finding this to be so-that Darlington would not have been abandoned but for the employees' selection of a union as their bargaining agent we concluded that the law had been violated. Our approach did not necessitate, and we therefore did not undertake, an exploration of the question of precisely what employer antiunion purposes the closing was intended to serve. The Supreme Court has now made it clear that, subject to the exception hereafter noted, an employer may, without violating Section 8(a)(3), permanently terminate or diminish his enterprise, even if the action is a response to the election or existence of a union. But the Court has made it equally plain that, if one of the purposes behind the closing of a portion of a business is the deterrence of unionism in the remainder of the business, the partial closing is an unlawful exercise of the employer' s economic power. Our failure to involved a capital expenditure of $400,000. See infra. We note that the computation of yearly earning percentages by Milliken was based on "invested capital " of about $3,500,000. despite these calculations, Darlington paid an average dividend to stockholders of 5 percent over the years 1952-55, based on a stock market value of $ 14 per share. DARLINGTON MFG. CO. make findings as to the existence of such a purpose, and also as to the foreseeable likelihood that the purpose would be effectuated, has resulted in this remand. Accordingly, we are charged now with supplementing our earlier findings by a more searching inquiry into the nature of the considerations which led to the closing of Darlington. The Supreme Court stated that the following elements are necessary to a finding of an unfair labor practice in "a case of this kind" (380 U.S. at 275-276): If the persons exercising control over a plant that is being closed for antiunion reasons (1) have an interest in another business, whether or not affiliated with or engaged in the same line of commercial activity as the closed plant, of sufficient substantiality to give promise of their reaping a benefit from the discouragement of unionization in that business; (2) act to close their plant with the purpose of producing such a result; and (3) occupy a relationship to the other business which makes it realistically foreseeable that its employees will fear that such business will also be closed down if they persist in organizational activities, we think that an unfair labor practice has been made out. 1. As to the factors of "interest" and "relationship," said the Court, the Board's "single employer finding necessarily embraced findings as to Roger Milliken and the Milliken family which, if sustained by the court of appeals, would satisfy" these elements. Id. at 276. The Court's conclusion, we believe, obviates the need for any extended discussion of this issue. We have previously found that those in control of Darlington also effectively controlled many other proximate textile plants. Seventeen related corporations owned and operated 27 manufacturing plants including Darlington. These corporations and plants were owned by the Milliken family, through their majority ownership, directly and indirectly, of Deering Milliken & Company, Inc., and Cotwool Manufacturing Corp. (later merged together into Deering Milliken, Inc.) and through their individual ownership of shares in the manufacturing corporations. By virtue of its stock ownership, the Milliken family owned and controlled from 55 to 88 percent of the stock in each of the affiliated mill corporations. In our earlier Decision, we described at length the manner in which the Milliken family bound these corporate units into a closely integrated enterprise, all being commonly serviced by central research, taxation, insurance, purchasing, and selling offices. We noted the direct control over operational policy retained and exercised by the Milliken family, as shown by the facts that Roger Milliken served as president of all the mill 1077 corporations but one, and that a majority of the directors of all except one of these corporations were members of the Milliken family. After reviewing the evidence relating both to the existence of the power of control and to the actual exercise of that power, especially in the "crucial area" of labor relations (139 NLRB at 256), we concluded that the Deering Milliken group of corporations constituted a single enterprise, responsible for remedying the unfair labor practices then found. As the โข Supreme Court has now pointed out, subsumed in our "single employer" finding were findings that the "persons exercising control over" Darlington (i.e., the Milliken family, as advised and influenced by Roger Milliken) had interests in other businesses "of sufficient substantiality to give promise of their reaping a benefit from the discouragement of unionization" in those businesses. It could not reasonably be questioned that the Milliken family interests in the other textile mills-majority ownership of them all-was sufficiently substantial, as the Court uses that term. This part of the Court's test asks whether the persons controlling Darlington were in a position to derive a substantial gain from the frustration of unionism in other businesses. The record abounds with evidence that they were. II. The record further shows that Roger Milliken, who voted'a majority of the stock of Darlington in favor of liquidating the plant, was not only in a position to gain from discouraging union organization throughout his tightly knit enterprises, but also believed that such discouragement was vital to the continued profitability of his operations. At the latest hearing, Milliken recounted a history of his unhappy experience with unions at plants with which he had been affiliated prior to 1956. A union strike over company-proposed work assignments had preceded the closing of the Deering Milliken mill in Madison, Maine, in 1947. At about the same time, 5 months after the termination of an 8-month union strike at the Dallas Manufacturing Company, in Huntsville, Alabama, the directors had voted to liquidate that concern. When the unionized employees of the Lockwood mill, in Waterville, Maine, protesting an 8-1/2-cent-an-hour wage cut, had struck in 1955, the Millikens decided to close down after the strike had continued for 7 weeks. As the evidence showed, these contracts with unions had left an impress on Roger Milliken. Before the Trial Examiner, Milliken expressed the opinion that unions are a "detrimental economic factor," "an economic factor which mean[s] increased resistance to cost-cutting." Nine years earlier, at the time of the Darlington closing, Milliken had conveyed this same view to J. M. Oeland, the mill treasurer of Darlington, when he told Oeland that he was going to recommend to the board of directors 299-352 0-70-69 1078 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD that Darlington be liquidated. According to Oeland's testimony in the recent hearings, when Oeland asked that Milliken reconsider his decision, Milliken replied that ". . . he had tried operating a mill with a union , and, in every case, it had been a drain on the stockholders' money, and that he did not think it was wise to try to operate Darlington for that reason." It seems clear that, to Milliken, unions spelled obstruction and, eventually, destruction, and that it was pointless to operate a plant burdened with an entity which could only be a "drain on the stockholders' money." But the evidence further indicates that Roger Milliken had been actively preoccupied with the dangers of unionism months before the first union organizer appeared at Darlington. Milliken's public statements, even prior to the union campaign at Darlington, made manifest his intense concern in the mid-1950's with what he regarded as the threat to the Southern industrial community posed by anticipated union organizational drives. In October 1955, Milliken addressed the South Carolina Fiscal Survey Commission in the State House of South Carolina. Among those in attendance were the members of the South Carolina Congressional delegation, the Lieutenant Governor of South Carolina, and persons associated with the textile industry. Milliken's presentation was entitled "Teamwork: The South's Secret Weapon." While he touched on other problems facing Southern textile manufacturers, such as taxation and Japanese imports, his speech primarily focused on the urgent necessity to keep employees nonunionized (referred to as "teamwork" between management and labor). After expressing his belief that the textile industry in the South, and South Carolina in particular, owed its survival to the quality of Southern labor and management personnel, Milliken went on to stress the need to achieve the lowest possible cost of production. But this objective, he continued, would not be realized unless South Carolina textile workers offered a full day's work for a full day's pay. The South Carolina employee had done and was doing this at the time. But, said Milliken, this employee attitude should be contrasted with the situation in Great Britian ".. . where the trades unions have insisted that no weaver can run more than four looms whether they be hand looms or automatic looms." And, similarly, the "same intelligent attitude cannot be said to be held by the New England workers who have been influenced and badgered by CIO propaganda to resist all management changes and to throw road blocks in the way of making improvements that will lower costs." Milliken related that he knew from "bitter experience" that this difference in attitude can have disastrous consequences. He described the The Trial Examiner refused to admit evidence of this speech, on the ground that it was too vague to provide a basis for inferring unlawful purpose . We believe that the meaning of the speech is plain, and that the speech is clearly relevant to the question of recent auction of the Lockwood mill and the prior liquidation of the Madison plant, where "we had purchased one-quarter of a million dollars' worth of new looms but were told by the unions when they arrived that the weavers could not handle any more of the new looms than they had of the old, regardless of the fact that the amount of work was more than halved. The result is that today our woolen operation in South Carolina is more than double what it was, and the Madison mill is empty of textile machinery." In summarizing his remarks on this topic, Milliken stressed that the "importance of the worker's attitude cannot be too heavily underscored in our thinking." The proper attitude was absent in "a mill that we operated in Huntsville, Alabama, with the result that we were unwilling to invest in new machinery and the mill was liquidated in 1947." The fact that the Lincoln mill (not a Deering Milliken affiliate), also in Huntsville, was in the process of closing down showed that "we are not alone in our thinking." Cooperation between management and labor "is South Carolina's greatest asset and one that should be cherished and nourished at all costs." [Emphasis supplied.] Finally, Milliken closed his discussion of the subject by noting that lower wages being paid in neighboring States rendered "our fight for survival" even more difficult, making it necessary for "all of us working together to strive continually for lower costs."5 Three months later, in January 1956, Milliken again disclosed his abiding concern with the specter of unionism. In an address to the Kiwanis Club of Spartanburg on the hopes for industrial development in Spartanburg County where several Deering Milliken mills were located, Milliken declared that the labor problem was the "primary" factor in the situation. He referred to the reported announcement of a Wisconsin union leader that he would be in South Carolina to "greet" a Wisconsin nontextile firm which had recently decided to build in Spartanburg, and he asked the Kiwanians, ". . . the question is, how are we going to greet these greeters?" He attributed the decision of two other firms not to locate in the county to the "risky" character of the labor situation (there being five organized plants at the time). He stated that "union feather-bedding practices" had in the past led to Deering-Milliken decisions to liquidate three textile plants-two in Maine and one in Alabama. His speech concluded: Let's fight together to keep this foreign philosophy out of our town. Let's work together to the end that Spartanburg and South Carolina can grow together and demonstrate to the rest of the country the advantages of teamwork between workers and management . That is our Milliken's fear of unions as a threat to the entire Southern textile industry . We reverse his ruling and admit General Counsel's Exh BB into evidence DARLINGTON MFG. CO. secret weapon. [Emphasis supplied.] We think these speeches shed considerable light on Roger Milliken's reaction to the news that the Union had won at Darlington. They indicate that, within months before the Darlington election, he was engrossed , enough to speak out twice publicly, with the need to prepare for the Union' s organizational drive in the South. To Milliken, the textile industry was engaged in an economic "fight for survival"; the labor situation was the "primary" factor of concern; unions meant the end of "teamwork"; no teamwork meant empty mills, as the New England experience had proved; and common defense against the foe was required: "the question is, how are we going to greet these greeters?" Against this background, it becomes clear, we believe, that to Roger Milliken the union victory at Darlington had substantial implications for the 26 other mills in the Deering Milliken complex. To an employer who had been alerting an entire area to the dangers of unionization, the union victory at Darlington, the first breach by a union since World War II of the Deering-Milliken defenses in South Carolina, was understandably a portent of other union victories in other plants, if permitted to go unchallenged. We have seen that Roger Milliken's view of the industrial situation reached far beyond the localized impact of a single union victory at a single plant . This outlook, coupled with his repeated and unqualified statements about the perils offered by unionism , indicates to us, and we find, that Milliken's actions with respect to the union problem at Darlington were responsive at least as much to the supposed needs of the 26 other mills as they were to the needs of Darlington. Respondents argue that Section 8(c) of the Act6 forbids the use of these speeches as evidence that Milliken was guilty of the unfair labor practice charged. The legislative history of that provision indicates that the provision was intended to prohibit the finding of an unfair labor practice simply on the basis of an employer's expressed opposition to unions, containing neither threat of reprisal nor promise of benefit.7 The legislative background also makes clear, however, that this section left unrestricted the Board's right to consider employer ' "The expressing of any views, argument , or opinion, or the dissemination thereof, whether in written, printed , graphic, or visual form , shall not constitute or be evidence of an unfair labor practice under any of the provisions of this Act, if such expression contains no threat of reprisal or force or promise of benefit " r See especially the supplementary analysis submitted by Senator Taft at 2 Legis . Hist. 1624 "The conferees had in mind a number of Board decisions in which because of the fact that an employer has at some time committed an unfair labor practice a speech by him, innocuous in itself, has been held not to be privileged There have also been a number of decisions by the Board in which discharges of employees , even though there was no evidence in the surrounding circumstances of discrimination, have been deemed unfair labor practices simply because at one time or another the employer has expressed himself as not in favor of unionization of his employees . The object of this section [8(c)], therefore , is to make it clear that decisions of this sort 1079 statements for purposes for which they would be ordinarily admissible in courts of law.8 Whatever limitations Section 8(c) might impose in other circumstances upon the use of employer expressions of antiunion sentiment , the purpose for which we here consider these speeches does not violate that provision. In this case, we look to Milliken's speeches not simply as proof that he closed Darlington because of the Union (a settled matter, we believe), but as evidence of both his apprehension of an anticipated large-scale union campaign and of his belief that an industrywide response was imperative. These two speeches clarify the scope and breadth of the antiunion considerations which led to the Darlington closing, and we think that Section 8(c) was not intended to interdict evidence offered for this purpose. The direct relationship between the closing of Darlington and Milliken' s serious concern with the union threat to all of his textile mills is revealed by a message which he transmitted to all mill treasurers on November 4, 1956, 1 month after the stockholders of Darlington voted to liquidate and 1 month before the mill was auctioned. The distribution consisted of reprints of an article and an editorial which had appeared in the November 8 edition of America's Textile Reporter, a trade magazine ; a copy of a news article concerning labor turmoil at a Massachusetts factory, excerpted from the South Carolina State Chamber of Commerce newsletter of October 1956; and a covering memorandum by Milliken. The first- mentioned article, headlined "Darlington Situation Becomes Object Lesson to All Concerned" and subheaded "Present Stepped-Up Union Activity In South Harbinger of Stronger Efforts and More Exaggerated Promises to Come," purported to be an indepth study of why 500 mill workers "suddenly elect[ed] to put their future in the hands of" the TWUA. The article first describes at some length the Union's successful campaign at Darlington, the "deceptive" promises to the employees, and the, effect of the closing on the town's economy. The article then, in discussing the "lesson to be learned" from Darlington, stresses: (1) The extent to which unions will go in order to deceive employees; (2) the cannot be made under the conference bill " " Senator Taft' s memorandum of legislative intent of June 5, 1947, stated- "It shall be noted that this subsection is limited to `views, arguments , or opinions ' and does not cover instructions, directions, or other statements which might be deemed admissions under ordinary rules of evidence. In other words, this section does not make incompetent , evidence which would ordinarily be deemed relevant and admissible in courts of law "2 Legis Hist 1541. See also 2 Legis. Hist 1624 And see N.L R.B v Lipman Brothers, Inc., et at., 355 F 2d 15 (C A. 1); N.L.R.B v Baker Hotel of Dallas, Inc, 311 F.2d 528 (C A 5), N.L R B v Southern Desk Company, 246 F 2d 53 (C.A 4); Angwell Curtain Company, Inc v N.L R B , 192 F.2d 899 (C A 7), for the proposition that employer statements of opposition to unions may, at least in certain circumstances , be considered in determining whether the employer action in question was unlawfully motivated 1080 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD importance of communication between management and labor, for the purpose of making labor aware of its role as part of the team; and (3) the necessity for affirmative efforts at public relations by large firms, on both a local and national level. Appearing in the magazine in conjunction with the article, and reprinted and circulated by Milliken, was an editorial. In part, the editorial expressed the belief that the liquidation of Darlington was a foregone conclusion from the moment that the votes were counted in the representation election; it cited as the basis for this opinion the earlier closing of the Dallas and Madison mills which, according to the editorial, had been liquidated as soon as they were unionized.9 The separately printed excerpt from the chamber of commerce newsletter told of a Massachusetts bedspread factory which had decided to close down in November. Since signing a bargaining agreement in February, "... the union had kept the mill in a state of turmoil and reduced efficiency ...... and the owners had decided to terminate the operation. Milliken's memorandum attached to this reprinted material shows that, in his view, although the Darlington question may have been resolved, the greater issue that Darlington represented was very much alive. He wrote, in part: It is apparent from this [America's Textile Reporter] article that this magazine made a real investigation in Darlington, and for that reason, I think the article is interesting. While this article shows that the union leaders definitely misled the people, it also points out that the mill was negligent in its public relations. I hope that you will read this second part of the article carefully and review in your mind the steps that you are taking to bring about an understanding of your mill and its problems in your community. The unions are going to be making a tremendous drive all through this area, and there are few things that are more important to us than making sure that the leaders in your community understand and are sympathetic to what you are trying to do. [Emphasis supplied.] We think the memorandum and its attachments are important on two counts. First, they demonstrate both Milliken's firm opinion that the unions were in the process of mounting a "tremendous" campaign throughout the Southern area, and his grave concern about that campaign. Secondly, by delivering the message on the need for good "public relations" through the medium of a dramatic article about the Darlington plant closing and the other enclosures, the results of a failure of "public relations" were made pointedly clear. The gratuitous inclusion of the editorial describing the Milliken "tradition" of closing a plant whenever a union appeared, as well as the article about the Massachusetts factory, shows that the closing of Darlington was to be made a symbol throughout the Deering Milliken chain of what unionism would mean. In a message so freighted with references to plant closings (of Darlington; of the Madison and Dallas plants; of the Massachusetts factory), it is apparent that what the mill heads were being instructed to make "the leaders in your community understand" was that the mill might no longer be in that community if the employees chose to unionize. Milliken himself testified that, in sending the articles, he wanted the mill treasurers to make "sure that the people in the community, the leaders, realized the competitive nature of the textile business and the necessity in order to survive of lowering costs...." The only way that community leaders could make use of this information would be by impressing upon employees the risks of unionism; an emphatic and timely example of those risks was Darlington. Although Milliken did not expressly announce that Darlington had been closed in an effort to allay the spread of unionism, he did not have to.10 Clearly implicit in the enclosed material about plant closing was a simple message, to be transmitted from the mill officials to the community leaders and, from both groups, to the employees: If your local mill goes union, it will, like Darlington, be closed down. Together with these direct communications of Roger Milliken's intention to thwart unionism wherever it appeared, which were issued both before and after the election at Darlington, other circumstances attending the Darlington closing confirm that it was undertaken with an eye to the impact that it would have on employees at other mills. The haste with which the disposition of the mill was accomplished indicated a desire to expunge any doubt from the minds of other employees that the Union was directly responsible for the unemployment of the Darlington workers. The board of directors met only 6 days after the election, although it had been customary to issue several weeks' notice of such a meeting. The stockholders met 35 days later, almost as soon as legally permissible after publication of the 30-day notice required by law. Less than 2 months after this meeting, the auction was held. The liquidation could hardly have been accomplished with more dispatch, 9 Milliken's testimony at the hearing , however, revealed that neither mill had been liquidated upon unionization, but only after unions had represented the employees for some length of time His memorandum covering the editorial made no effort to correct the erroneous impression left by its author. 10 The Union had filed charges with the Board in October 1956, even before the plant closed , alleging that the decision to liquidate Darlington was in violation of Section 8(a)(3) That Milliken was exercising extreme caution in his references to the Darlington situation during this period is indicated by a letter he wrote to a friend on November 3, 1956, in which he noted that he had " . . tried to avoid getting into a discussion in the newspapers with the union or with [State Senator ] Mozingo . . DARLINGTON MFG. CO. and its timing could only definitively establish the relationship between the election and the auction in the minds of those following the events. Roger Milliken has testified, in essence, that the appearance of the Union meant increased "resistance to cost-cutting" and "lack of cooperation" which, together with the unpromising financial condition of Darlington, led him to conclude that the operation of the plant should be discontinued. This determination of the Union's effect on profitability was made before the Union presented any demands or proposals to Darlington, and, on this judgment alone, Milliken testified, he set into motion the legal machinery which would eventually close the plant. But, after the directors voted to recommend liquidation, 83 percent of the employees signed a petition disavowing the Union. When State Senator Mozingo implored Milliken, immediately after the stockholders' meeting, to reconsider his decision to liquidate, mentioning the petition as an indication of the employees' repentance, Milliken replied, "As long as there are seventeen percent of the hard core crowd here, I refuse to run the mill." We note that Milliken had not refused to run the mill previously, despite the existence of a known minority, "perhaps 25%," of employees who over the years had resisted carrying out work assignment changes and who, Oeland had "constantly" told Milliken, represented "a very conscious [sic] impediment" to attaining the best results. But in prior years the employees had not voted for a union, and in 1956 they had. As the General Counsel asks: Could Roger Milliken have seriously feared much "resistance to cost-cutting" from a union which the employees had all but abandoned? At the hearing, Milliken acknowledged that he had been aware that the Union might be decertified as the bargaining representative after 1 year. He further admitted awareness of a situation in his own experience where the parties had lawfully bargained for more than 2 years without reaching a contract. In these circumstances, we conclude that his utter determination to close could hardly have been based on any real fears of resistance engendered by the 17 percent "hard core." And if his resolve to close Darlington was not founded on a sincere belief that the Union any longer represented an impediment to cost-cutting, what reasons could have brought about this fixed attitude? As little as a month before the election, Milliken was notified of a projected loss of $40,000 for the year, and he took no step toward considering liquidation or halting the implementa- tion of the substantial improvement program then in progress at Darlington. There is no indication that Darlington's earning potential, or the possibility of other uses of the capital already invested in the plant, suddenly developed an importance that these factors did not have a month before. Clearly, it was the election of the Union that accounted for 1081 Milliken's decision that Darlington must be closed. But if Milliken had no real cause to be concerned about the Union's threat to the plant's productivity, and if he was not suddenly dissatisfied with the idea of continuing as an investment the capital then in, and being added to, Darlington, as seems clear from his unperturbed attitude of a month before the election, then why was Milliken so committed to the idea of closing the Darlington plant, at the considerable cost of antagonizing State and local community leaders? We think it fair to infer that he saw the opportunity to convey to all his employees an object lesson of the folly of selecting the Union. The first Deering Milliken mill in South Carolina to be organized in a dozen years presented a chance to create a graphic example of the hazards of unionism, especially since, as Respondents themselves contend, the mill was not an exceptionally profitable one and, accordingly, dispensable. We are convinced that Milliken recognized that chance and seized it. No other purpose explains the absoluteness of his determination to close, or, for that matter, its speed, which was swifter than the arrival of the Union's first proposal. In sum, Roger Milliken was, in 1956, a man of strong views about unionism, derived from a series of disquieting relationships with unions earlier in his career. His convictions about the dangers of unionism to South Carolina textile interests, and, of course, to his own, carried with them a sufficient sense of urgency to lead him publicly to urge South Carolina officials and businessmen to prepare for averting unionism "at all costs," a call to action uttered months before the Union initiated its Darlington campaign. When that campaign culminated in a victory for the Union, unprecedented at a South Carolina Deering Milliken mill in more than a decade, Roger Milliken moved quickly to empty the plant. With a resoluteness which, in view of the desertion of the Union by most of the employees, could only be explained by an intention to set a memorable example, he saw to it that, within 14 weeks after the election, buyers were hauling the Darlington machinery away. To assure that the lesson (already the subject of "widespread" publicity of which he was aware) was not lost on his mill officials and their community leaders, and the employees whom they both could influence, he circulated to the mills a recommendation for a "public relations" program, the suggested content of which was readily apparent in the meaningful material attached to the memorandum. We think it clear from all this that, when Roger Milliken acted at Darlington, his concern transcended the fate of the Darlington mill alone, and encompassed as well the future of all the mills with which he was connected. We find that the closing of Darlington was, at least in part, the product of a desire to discourage unionism among employees at other Deering Milliken mills. In finding that such a purpose existed, we have 1082 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD fully considered those items of evidence and inference which, the Respondents assert, make doubtful the existence of a purpose to chill unionism at other plants. Roger Milliken issued only three press releases during the closing period, none of which mentioned the Union, and one of which stressed economic factors as the reason for the closing. Respondents contend that his restraint in this regard is incompatible with a purpose to discourage unionism elsewhere. But the fact that the closing was being "widely commented upon" in the news media from the moment the board of directors acted, as Milliken testified, weakens the inference Respondents would have us draw from his failure to do more. It can as well be inferred that it was unnecessary for him to add fuel to a fire which the press and the Union itself were stoking so well. In a similar vein, it is argued that the implication in the record that Milliken made no effort to thwart any bidding for the plant as a going operation indicates that he was not interested in chilling, since a mill which merely changes hands when organized hardly has as chilling an effect as would an empty mill. But the chronology of bidding at the auction of Darlington (bulk bid first, piecemeal bids thereafter) left Milliken in a position of considerable control over the ultimate manner of sale. With the bulk bid known from the beginning; with the auction operating under the ground rule that the bulk bid would prevail only if it exceeded the total of the piecemeal sale; and with representatives of other Deering Milliken plants present and bidding for separate equipment, Milliken seems to have been in a position of exercising considerable control over the method of disposition of the plant. We think it likely that taking the bulk bid last would increase the probability of obtaining a bulk bid higher than the aggregate of the piecemeal bids." We are aware of the testimony by the members of the board of directors and stockholders (including Roger Milliken) that they did not intend, by the votes they cast, to chill unionism elsewhere, and that such a prospect was not discussed at the two meetings. While the Trial Examiner did not expressly find this testimony credible, neither did he discredit it,12 and it stands uncontradicted in the record. But we find it of little moment that there was such testimony from the other directors, for we believe that the critical purpose is the one which moved Roger Milliken. He held the obvious position of power in the corporate ii A week after the stockholders ' meeting, an editorial in the Darlington News and Press carried a story stating that State Senator Mozingo had criticized Milliken's choice of bidding procedure on precisely this ground, and alleging that the Senator had consequently characterized as hypocritical Milliken's professed concern for lessening the adverse impact upon local residents . We consider this editorial not as evidence that the statements were in fact made, but only as evidence that, 6 weeks prior to the auction , the public prints contained a suggestion for what appears to be a more reasonable procedure. 11 In his treatment of the testimony of "members of the organization, he convened the meeting, he offered the resolution, and he advised why the resolution should be accepted. The other Millikens were only tangentially related to the manufacturing operation. Gerrish Milliken, brother to Roger Milliken, was involved in the sales section of Deering Milliken, and had been elected to the Darlington board an hour before he voted to recommend liquidation of the plant; Minot Milliken, Roger Milliken's cousin, was the New York-based treasurer of Deering Milliken, whose prior experience had been in the woolen sales end of the operation; Harold Hatch, an uncle by marriage of Roger Milliken, had been a director of Darlington since 1908, but, in 1956, he was in semiretirement in Connecticut. These three, plus Roger Milliken, were the only votes necessary to carry the resolution. Having conferred with all three prior to the meeting, Roger Milliken scarcely needed to explain fully to the other three directors (Oeland, the mill treasurer of Darlington, Lyles, a South Carolina businessman, and Nicholson, a former mill treasurer of Darlington, then retired and having no interest in other Deering Milliken mills) the effect the closing might have on other Deering Milliken employees.13 That Milliken went into no such detail is not decisive of the question of whether the proscribed purpose existed. Oeland, Lyles, and Nicholson had no reason to be interested in the effect on employees elsewhere. It is true that the Union was mentioned at the meeting as a precipitating factor leading to the meeting call; the Trial Examiner, in another context, considers it arguable that the "very frankness of such a declaration of attitude ... suggests that he [Milliken] would have been equally frank had he acted out of concern for other mills and with the purpose to affect employees at other mills or businesses." TXD, section V. Sometimes the glaring facts compel a certain amount of candor, but it does not follow from this that the whole truth will be laid bare. The union victory was too obvious and operative a factor in the call for dissolution to allow it to go unmentioned. It may also be noted that the one of the legal positions taken by Respondents now, and throughout the course of this litigation , is that the disharmony and lack of cooperation which an employer might anticipate from a union are, under the Act, a valid economic basis for taking action affecting the job tenure of employees. Having Milliken family," the Examiner merely concluded, "The statements of purpose are negative , and whoever would regard them with skepticism cannot rely on them as proving the contrary. The testimony now received from the Darlington directors and stockholders supports the original finding that Darlington would not have been liquidated in 1956 but for the Union and its election victory." TXD, section V ยฐ 13 According to Milliken , the three local directors were not even told prior to September 12 what the purpose of the meeting was to be. DARLINGTON MFG. CO. previously discussed the union victory and its implications with James D. Poag, an experienced labor lawyer, who also attended the meeting of the board, Milliken undoubtedly recognized (1) the necessity for admitting the paten nexus between the election and the liquidation, (2) the probability that the Union would protest to this Board, and (3) the likelihood that his defense would include the argument that a union is just another economic condition which management may legitimately consider. With these prospects in the offing, it would have been pointless. simply to omit any reference to the Union. But no attorney construing the Act at any time in its history would have deemed it prudent to mention further that the closing would have a desirable inhibitory effect on organization of employees at other mills. Accordingly, it seems to us that Milliken's reference to the Union was, in the circumstances, unavoidable, and not necessarily a courageous display of candor which certifies its own completeness. And, for these reasons, we do not consider the testimony that other mills were not mentioned at the board or stockholder meetings, or that the other directors testified that they harbored no intent to chill unionism elsewhere, to be of special value. Roger Milliken's denial of illicit purpose is the one which must survive the weight of the other evidence, and we find that it does not. In concluding that such a purpose to chill existed, we have relied upon what we consider to be fair inferences arising from the totality of the evidence, considered in the light of then-existing circumstances. Respondents argue that the Supreme Court is requiring "concrete, specific, independent proof"" of a purpose to chill unionism. Insofar as this formulation is intended to be a restatement of the Court's standard that there must be "a showing of motivation which is aimed at achieving the prohibited effect,"15 we concur. But the requisite motivation may be proved by something less than direct evidence, rarely available in cases of this kind. 16 In this branch of the law, as in all others, proof of motive may be supplied by circumstantial evidence which affords a sound basis for drawing inferences. The rationality of the inferences we draw in this case is perhaps even clearer than in ordinary Section 8(a)(3) cases, for here it has been found and virtually conceded that Darlington was closed because of opposition to the Union. Where one such directly causative antiunion motive is posited, the probability of a second antiunion purpose, of wider gauge, becomes stronger. We do not mean to say by this that proof of 14 Brief for Respondent Deering Milliken, Inc , p. 7 i' Textile Workers Union v. Darlington Manufacturing Co , 380 U.S.263,276 18 "Actual motive, a state of mind, being the question, it is seldom that direct evidence will be available that is not also self- serving. In such cases, the self-serving declaration is not conclusive , the trier of fact may infer motive from the total 1083 one such motive ipso facto proves another. We simply suggest that the existence of one motive may indicate a disposition toward another. The strength of the inferences to be drawn de- pends, of course, upon all the facts and circum- stances of the case. Thus, for example, if an employer with one plant in Maine and another in Florida were permanently to shut down the Maine plant when it became unionized because of a stated distaste for dealing with unions, and the evidence disclosed no intention to give the closing notoriety in Florida, we would not be likely to draw from such bare facts the conclusion that a purpose to chill unionism in the Florida plant existed." In other hypothetical situations, the fact that the employer had clearly decided to close because of the "per- sonal satisfaction that [he might] derive from standing on his beliefs,"' or because of religious scruples against dealing with unions, could per- suasively neutralize the weight of other factors, such as number and proximity of plants, which with other substantial evidence, might tend to support a reasonable inference of a chilling purpose. But here, as we believe our prior discussion demonstrates, we are not deciding the case of an employer who closed down for reasons of personal ideology or conven- ience, nor are we deciding any other hypothetical situation not presently before us. The record in this case establishes that, to Roger Milliken, unions represented a "detrimental economic factor" which he would prefer not to have in Darlington and which could certainly spell disaster if they spread throughout his mills. When an employer with such a belief, controlling 20 mills in South Carolina, 3 in Georgia, and 2 in North Carolina, decides abruptly to close one of these mills (which he had not other- wise thought of closing) when it becomes unionized, the purpose to chill unionism elsewhere becomes readily inferrable from the other evidence of dis- criminatory intent present in this case. In discussing, in its Darlington opinion, earlier cases involving partial closings, the Supreme Court has indicated that valid inferences of a purpose to chill unionism may be drawn from appropriate facts. This discussion is especially valuable insofar as it establishes the importance to be attached to an employer's anticipation of a union campaign di- rected at his entire operation, as an indicium of his chilling purpose in closing part of the operation. At footnote 19,380 U.S. 263,273, the Court reviews and approves N.L.R.B. v. Savoy Laundry, Inc., 327 F.2d 370 (C.A. 2), remanding and enfg. in part 137 NLRB 306; N.L.R.B. v. Missouri Transit Company, 250 F.2d circumstances proved Otherwise no person accused of unlawful motive who took the stand and testified to a lawful motive could be brought to book " Shattuck Dena Mining Corporation (Iron King Branch) v. N L R B , 362 F 2d 466,470 (C A. 9). "Cf A C. Rochat Company, 163 NLRB 421 Is 380 US. 263, 272 1084 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD 261 (C.A. 8), enfg. 116 NLRB 587, as partial closings "found to have been motivated, at least in part.''' by the expectation of achieving future benefits." In both cases, the Court summarized, the Union was trying to organize all of the employees throughout each operation, and in both cases, the Court concluded, the partial closing was intended to discourage unionism in the overall enterprise. The existence of this purpose was perhaps clear in the Savoy case, where there were no separate departments, and the discharge of a group of employees, performing the same work as the retained employees, all of whom the Union was seeking to represent, was "obviously to discourage unionization in the entire plant." In Missouri Transit, however, there were separate departments - a shuttle bus service and a long-line service. The Employer closed down only the shuttle service. In analyzing the facts of this case, the Supreme Court concluded, "Although the two services were treated as separate departments, it is clear from the facts of the case that the union was attempting to organize all of the drivers, and the discriminatory motive of the employer was to discourage unionization in the interstate service as well as the shuttle service." As we read the facts of the Missouri Transit case, there is no more specific evidence of an employer purpose to chill than the inference arising from his awareness that the union was attempting, as the Supreme Court reads the case, to organize the entire employee complement. If employer knowledge of actual union activity aimed at other employees can provide a legitimate foundation for inferring an intention to chill those employees, it would seem that the inference would be no less warranted where the evidence establishes a strong employer belief that the union is intending imminently to organize the employees in his other operations. Since our central concern is with the employer's motive, the fact of impending organization is not significant; his belief in the existence of that fact is what matters. And, as we have seen, in this case, both before and after the election, Roger Milliken had no reservations about his expectation of what was coming: "The unions are going to be making a tremendous drive all through this area . . . ." Again, in future cases, distinctions in the timing of the Union's campaign; in the strength of the Employer's fear of, and his anticipation of, that campaign; in the number of plants and their proximity; and related factors, might well be the kinds of distinctions that lead to a difference in result. But we see no really substantial distinction between the significant factors in this case and those the Supreme Court considered to be of importance in Missouri Transit. We make our finding of purpose here with full awareness of, and complete respect for, the Court's caveat that "[i]t does not suffice to establish the unfair labor practice charged here to argue that the Darlington closing necessarily had an adverse impact upon unionization in other plants." 380 U.S. at 276. Our inquiry into purpose has extended far beyond the lone fact that an adverse impact elsewhere was foreseeable. As directed, we have examined the record to determine whether or not it fairly supports the conclusion that, by closing Darlington, Milliken intended to bring about that impact. In pursuance of the delicate duty of discriminating between, or "sifting,"20 separate antiunion motives, we have attempted to ascertain, as precisely as possible, the motivation of Roger Milliken, as revealed by his conduct preceding the election at Darlington, the manner and the circumstances of his behavior in making and implementing the decision to close, the significant use to which he later put the closing, and the inferences derivable therefrom. This, we believe, is far removed from simply equating foreseeable consequences with prior motivation. As earlier discussed, any number of varying circumstances in other situations might well be persuasive that, while the foreseeability of adverse effect elsewhere was as much present as here, the proscribed intention to chill was not. In the instant case, the evidence relevant to the motives of this Employer leads us to conclude that among his purposes in closing Darlington was that of discouraging unionism in other plants. The third matter to be considered under the remand relates to the chilling "effect" of the partial closing. The Court describes this element in various ways: [I] f the employer may reasonably have foreseen that [the closing motivated by a purpose to chill] would likely have that effect. 380 U.S. at 275. [Emphasis supplied.] If the persons exercising control ... occupy a relationship to the other business which makes it realistically foreseeable that its employees will fear that such business will also be closed down 19 We note here the separate contention by Respondents that the closing is only an unfair labor practice if the intention to chill was the "primary" or "predominant " motive Brief for Respondent Darlington , pp A-7-10 The Court' s acceptance of Savoy and Missouri Transit , which found unfair practices on the basis of motivations "at least in part" directed toward securing future benefits , seems clearly to refute this contention, as do other specific portions of the Court' s opinion "if motivated by a purpose," 380 U S at 275 , "If the persons exercising control over a plant that is being closed for antiunion reasons . act to close their plant with the purpose of [chilling ]," 380 U S at 275, and, as well, the whole context of the decision . (Emphasis supplied ) 20 Getman , Section 8(aX3) of the NLRA and the Effort to Insulate Employee Free Choice, 32 U Chi. L Rev. 735, 756. DARLINGTON MFG. CO 1085 if they persist in organizational activities .... 380 U.S. at 275-276. [ Emphasis supplied.] Thus, the Board 's findings as to the purpose and foreseeable effect of the Darlington closing pertained only to its impact on the Darlington employees . 380 U.S. at 276. [Initial emphasis supplied.] It might be forcefully argued , although it has not been , that , in another portion of its opinion, the Court has already settled the question of "effect," leaving only the formality of a finding to be made by this Board . 21 The third element of the detailed statement by the Court of the constituents of an unfair labor practice in this case reads (as just noted but with different emphasis): If the persons exercising control over a plant that is being closed for antiunion reasons ... (3) occupy a relationship to the other business which makes it realistically foreseeable that its employees will fear that such business will also be closed down if they persist in organizational activities.... 380 U.S. at 275-276. [ Emphasis supplied.] The element of "effect" is thus defined by reference to the nature of the relationship of the persons exercising control over the closed business to the remainder of the business-i.e., is that relationship one "which makes it realistically foreseeable" that the other employees will fear closing. The Court then goes on to say that the Board 's "single employer " finding "necessarily embraced" findings as to the Millikens which "would satisfy the elements of `interest' and `relationship ' with respect to other parts of the Deering Milliken enterprise...." 380 U.S. at 276. If our prior single employer finding necessarily embraced a finding of "relationship ," and if, as we have discussed , a finding of the requisite "relationship" necessarily entails a finding of "effect," then it would seem that our inquiry as to effect is at an end. If we ask the question, what sort of "relationship" is it that we have necessarily found, the answer would seemingly have to be, by the Court's definition of terms, a "relationship to the other business which makes it realistically foreseeable that its employees will fear that such business will also be closed down if they persist in organizational activities." We are mindful, however, that, after its consideration of what our single employer finding embraces, the Court then states "... [all of] the Board findings fall short of establishing the factors of `purpose' and `effect' which are vital requisites of the general principles that govern a case of this kind." In view of this language, we have undertaken an independent appraisal of the evidence.22 Our study leads us to believe that a relationship of the sort outlined by the Court certainly existed, and that it was realistically foreseeable that (1) the news of the Darlington closing would be communicated to other Deering Milliken employees, (2) these other employees would be aware of the connection between Darlington and their mills, and (3) the circumstances of the closing would cause these employees to fear a similar consequence from any union activity in which they might engage.23 As to (1), we need not go much further than the Deering Milliken-controlled Hartsville mill, located some 14 miles from Darlington, and employing, in 1956, about 490 employees. There can be no question that the Hartsville employees would, foreseeably, be apprised of every detail of the events occurring at their sister mill. The Hartsville and Darlington mills were located in the same county, and the same local newspapers, which could be expected to, and did, give heavy coverage to the closing of Darlington, served both Darlington and Hartsville homes. That the message of the Darlington closing was conveyed to the employees at Hartsville and at other Deering Milliken mills, and, as could be anticipated, loomed prominently in their 21 The parties offer differing constructions of what the Court means by "effect ," General Counsel argues that , once a chilling purpose is found, the answer to the question of whether the employer "may reasonably have foreseen that [the closing] would likely have" a chilling effect "flows almost by necessity" from the affirmative answer to the first question Brief for General Counsel, p 112 . In other words , it would be only reasonable to concur in an employer 's judgment that his action, intended to be chilling, would have the desired result The Trial Examiner apparently would have rested on the tendency of the closing adversely to affect employees elsewhere, but, having received some evidence bearing on the actual effect on other employees, he felt that any inference he might otherwise have drawn was dispelled by the unpersuasive character of the evidence adduced TXD, section VI The Respondents contend that there must be a showing of "actual effect" upon the employees Answering brief for Respondent Deering Milliken , pp 23-24 22 To conclude that the Court has already decided the question of "effect" by finding "relationship" would not simply be a performance of verbal gymnastics The Court might well have felt that the considerable evidence , then before it, showing the close affiliation of the 27 mills, was a sufficient basis for inferring that a chilling effect would be foreseeable to those exercising control over Darlington The dissenting court of appeals judges apparently would have been willing to draw such an inference from the same evidence , although they did not discuss foreseeability they found that the closing " was intended to be, and was , a grim deterrent . " N L R B v . Deering Milliken and Company, Inc, 325 F 2d 682, 691 (C A 4) (dissenting opinion) 23 Respondents argued to the Trial Examiner that it is not enough to establish that the remaining employees were likely deterred from future collective activity They would read into the Court's working " employees will fear that such business will also be closed down if they persist in organizational activities " (emphasis supplied ) a requ{rement that such employees must have been actually involved in union activity at the time Darlington was closed We do not think that the Court would intentionally indulge in such a fine distinction without making the reason for it very clear Surely a purpose to thwart impending organizational activity promises to reap as much benefit as that intended to frustrate a current organizing effort 1086 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD minds, is supported by the record. Employee Howard of Hartsville, for example, heard conversations among employees "concerning the Darlington closedown" during each year of the period from 1957 to 1961.24 It was said in these conversations that if the Hartsville employees ".. . were organized that the mill would shut down." Dizbon, formerly an employee at the Drayton mill in Spartanburg, South Carolina, heard about the closing when it happened, and heard other employees discussing it. Hogan, a former shift overseer at one of the Pacolet mills, in Pacolet, South Carolina, heard his neighbors discussing the subject of Darlington, saying that "Mr. Milliken would not operate a plant under a union ." Employee Deaton, of the New Holland, Georgia, mill, said that when Darlington closed ". . . nearly everybody it seems like was talking about it." The record shows that conversations about Darlington between employees, and between employees and supervisors, were commonplace at other mills, and this might well be expected. It was foreseeable because, it is clear, Deering Milliken employees knew that they were Deering Milliken employees, whether their mill be named Monarch or Pacolet or Gainesville. Employee Henderson of the Drayton mill heard other employees discussing Darlington in 1957 and 1958 "and every time that something would come out in the paper about Darlington"; the employees prophesied that, if they organized, "Deering Milliken" would close Drayton down. Mrs. Lee, a Drayton employee, heard similar conversations about what "Deering Milliken" would do in such circumstances. Mr. Hembree, employed by the Judson mill, in Greenville, South Carolina, testified that the Darlington closing was talked about "generally" by the employees, "inside and outside" the mill; the employees said that "the Company, the Deering Milliken Company, closed the Darlington plant and they would not hesitate to close Judson Mill if it was organized." In fact, according to Hembree, conversation among employees about Darlington "still goes on." Kirby, an employee of the Gainesville, Georgia, mill, was told by Overseer Allen that if the Union came in at Gainesville, "Mr. Milliken" would shut the plant down. The name "Milliken" was a familiar word on the lips of the employees who testified, and we think it inconceivable that employees in the State of South Carolina, where 20 Deering Milliken mills were located in 1956, would not have made the association between the "Deering Milliken" which terminated Darlington and the "Deering Milliken" which controlled their jobs and futures. We also believe that this likelihood would have been apparent to Roger Milliken. In 1955, to foster the sense of 24 The Trial Examiner had ruled early in the recent hearing that he would not accept evidence of events at other mills occurring subsequent to 1961 , 1 e , more than 5 years after the closing of togetherness among Milliken employees, Deering Milliken & Co., Inc., urged the Darlington mill, and, presumably, the other mills, to distribute among their employees a booklet entitled "Fabric Magic by Milliken," which emphasizes the monolithic nature of the Milliken chain and is replete with references to "Milliken." The volume of publicity attendant upon the closing was substantial. Many newspapers gave the story close and continuing coverage. Employees also testified to hearing news reports about Darlington over radio and television. We do not share Mr. Milliken's "surprise" at the publicity engendered by the closing. It may be true that there had been a continuous liquidation of textile mills throughout the region in the preceding several years, which had received relatively little publicity, and that Milliken's own experience with liquidations had been similar . Expectably, a recommendation to close a Southern textile mill, made 6 days after the Union won an election there, would have an obvious newsworthiness that would distinguish it from past closings. Finally, a word is in order about the actual effect of the closing on Deering Milliken employees. Very little effort was made at the hearing to elicit testimony about the subjective reactions of employees to the news of the Darlington shutdown. The Trial Examiner appeared to feel that the evidence as to effect on employees was deficient because there was no proof that a substantial number of them were, in fact, chilled, and also seemed to regard it as an impossible task to assess the degree of chilling caused by the closing. TXD, section VI. As an original matter, the evidence demonstrating that employees frequently discussed the closing, in terms of what it would imply about their own plant if they should organize, would itself seem logically to give rise to an inference that they were adversely affected by it. But we assume that the Court intends us to apply the usual standards of whether the closing had a natural "tendency to discourage" union adherence in other plants.25 There is no indication that the Court is requiring a measurement of the quantitative increment of fear created by the Darlington closing, either by itself or as opposed to other mill closings. And we think that little special expertise is needed to evaluate the probable effect of a mill closing, immediately after a union victory, upon those of the mill owner's other employees who hear about it, a substantial number of whom worked only 14 miles away and witnessed, at close hand, the whole process of destruction. We draw upon the record and some of the more undisputed characteristics of human nature to conclude (1) that Roger Milliken Darlington " Radio Officers' Union v. N L R.B , 347 U.S 17, 50-51 DARLINGTON MFG. CO. could have realistically foreseen that the closing of Darlington, and the sequential relationship of the Union's election to that closing, would be communicated to many of Deering Milliken's employees, who would transmit the news to fellow employees; (2) Roger Milliken could have realistically foreseen that a large number of these employees would be cognizant of the fact that they and the ex-Darlington employees shared a common employer, and that this relationship would similarly become known by word of mouth to any employees who had not previously been aware of it; and (3) the closing of Darlington, in the context of a victory by the Union, likely would have, and did have, the effect of discouraging unionism in Deering Milliken's other plants, as was foreseeable. We have determined then, by application of the terms of the remand setting out the vital requisites of an unfair labor practice in a case of this kind, that such an unfair labor practice was committed. We note the argument that our decision might possibly have been simplified by finding a "future benefit" other than the chilling of unionism, on the theory that, by liquidating Darlington and investing the retrieved capital elsewhere in a functioning textile enterprise,26 the Millikens achieved a substantial "future benefit" at the expense of unionism while continuing to operate and utilize the Darlington capital within the framework of an employer- employee relationship. We think it too clear to merit discussion that the Court had foreclosed an approach of this sort in this case; it has directed its attention, and ours, explicitly and only to the question of whether there was a purpose of discouraging unionism at other mills. We find, in conclusion, that such a chilling purpose, at least in part, lay behind the decision to close the Darlington mill; those exercising control over Darlington, especially in the person of Roger Milliken, had other business interests of sufficient substantiality to give promise of their reaping benefits from the discouragement of unionization in those businesses ; the relationship of the persons closing Darlington to the other businesses was such as to make it realistically foreseeable that employees of the latter would fear that their mills also would be closed if they engaged in organizational activity; the persons exercising control over Darlington did in fact foresee and intend this effect; and a number of these employees were, in all likelihood, so affected. 26 Roger Milliken testified that the Deering Milliken and Cotwool corporations had standing requests from "other manufacturing operations " for capital to invest in new machinery that would earn a higher rate on investment than Darlington had been returning , and that the liquidated capital from Darlington could be used for this purpose . The argument rejected here would consider such employment of capital to be analogous to the technique followed by a "runaway shop " 1087 TRIAL EXAMINER'S SUPPLEMENTAL DECISION BUCHANAN, Trial Examiner: This Decision follows the fifth hearing in this proceeding. But it must be pointed out that the proceeding is quite different from what it was at the first hearing: the issues have several times been changed. Very real and well-defined issues concerning violation and remedy were explored in the first hearing and report. A new issue not theretofore alleged was then added and considered at the second hearing. Whatever the significance of the case as precedent now that it has been returned successively from the highest to the lowest level for exploration on a new and different basis, this latest step underscores the futility of much of the proceedings. Indeed these proceedings, unquestionably monumental, may become a monument to monumental futility. If in the administrative and judicial field we are doers attempting to meet problems in the practical world of action and event, it may nevertheless be in order to pause to reflect. (This does not require nor has it caused undue delay. Yet what is said here has long been weighed. I go not forth hastily to strive.) What is the scope of this case? What are the issues in this case ? Lawyers need not be told where the issues are framed and where they are to be found. Our problems at the first hearing were whether Darlington had violated the Act and, if so, what remedy could be directed. Faced with findings and conclusions that the Act had been violated but without available remedy, the Board (a minority urging that the Board rule in the first instance that the closing violated the Act) remanded the case for hearing on the question of single employer status involving Darlington and others; this despite the fact that the General Counsel had refused to name other corporations as parties, and the further fact established by statute and the cases that issuance and scope of a complaint is the prerogative of the General Counsel. After that remand order the General Counsel did issue a complaint naming as Respondents Deering Milliken & Co., Inc., one of the present Respondents and predecessor of Deering Milliken, Inc., the other present Respondent, and Roger Milliken. Despite my distinction between control and cooperation, based on the evidence before me; despite the analogous situations which I cited as indicating Board recognition of such distinction elsewhere and in other cases, and the importance and validity of such recognition by the Board; and despite the fact that refutation of such distinction and citation of analogies has not been attempted, I am constrained by the Board's Decision of October 18, 1962,' to recognize the finding that single employer relationship has been established. This relationship has not yet been found by the courts, and the Supreme Court has declared an alternative basis for imposing liability and responsibility for remedy. With the issue of single employer status thus left open at the court level, the case has been remanded, as we shall see. The third hearing, a very brief one, centered on the claim that Roger Milliken was personally liable as a Respondent. With the passage of time, the fourth hearing, on February 5, 1962, was a sequel to the second, based on newly developed facts. In its decision in 1962, the Board found that Darlington ' 139 NLRB 241 1088 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD had violated Section 8(a)(1), (3), and (5) of the Act by interfering with employees' protected concerted activities, discriminating against them because of such activities, and refusing to bargain with the Union as their collective- bargaining representative. Unlike the Trial Examiner, the Board also held that Darlington occupied a single employer status with Deering Milliken and its affiliated corporations. On November 15, 1963, the Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit,2 sitting en banc, decided by 3 to 2 that there had been no violation since Darlington had closed its plant completely and gone out of business, the majority declaring that there could, therefore, be no liability even if Darlington was a division of Deering Milliken and the single employer principle applied. Pointing out that the Board and the circuit court had not considered the aspect of an intention to chill unionism elsewhere, and a chilling effect, the Supreme Court' directed that this be considered together with the question of single employer relationship and, if there be no such relationship, the possibility of certain substantial interests in other businesses to which such chilling purpose and effect might be related; again despite the fact that the General Counsel had not claimed or alleged this.4 This protean element was now injected despite the beliefs of the General Counsel, the Charging Union, the Trial Examiner, the Board, and the court of appeals (all differing, to be sure) that the issues raised by the pleadings and the evidence received were sufficient and properly called for a decision based on the issues which had long before been settled. While administrative decisions with respect to scope and prosecution are not a game of wits, the General Counsel's sole authority to make such decisions is statutory and has long been recognized. Parties and counsel must know what the charges are, what the issues are, what they need to prove or meet, and what they may rely on as legal precedent bearing on the issues raised. With due allowance for growth and changing conditions, there is no more room in the law for a reliability gap than there is elsewhere for a credibility gap. Whatever the reason at each step for delay and injection of new questions, Darlington may yet become an eponym for divagation and delay. The Supreme Court has called for review of the Board's finding of single employer, but held with the court of appeals majority that it is not a violation for an independent employer to go out of business completely; yet that Darlington may or may not have violated (the Court denies that the same conclusion "necessarily" follows) if it were an integral part of a larger enterprise or, as defined, if substantial business interests coincide. The Court has distinguished the closing of an entire 2 325 F 2d 682. 380 U.S. 263 Such recent opening up of new matter is the raison d'etre for this reflection. How to present these thoughts except here? Even if we are always to proceed through channels , there is no other proper channel at this point My decision does not issue with a view to the approval with which it may meet, although I would not offend higher authority . Satisfaction lies in accomplishment, not in applause, and although not "balled for," these words, I trust, will prove helpful . It is logically , if remotely , possible that the Supreme Court may modify its holding because of the problems which are here indicated But that will not be done on my mere suggestion that there are problems and without delineation of them business from a situation akin to a partial closing, which occurs in a plant that is part of a larger single enterprise or of a single employer.5 It has also held that, whether this be a single employer situation or one where those who control the closed plant have substantial business interests elsewhere, inquiry must be made into chilling purpose and effect with respect to employees of other businesses.6 Although the Court declares an "analogy to those cases involving a continuous enterprise," the interference or discrimination in those other cases is measured with respect to the employees of the business which committed the violation. The analogy with respect to violation breaks down when attention is directed to purpose and effect, or measurements, with respect to employees elsewhere. Except in an alter ego situation, these latter are not employees of a present respondent. Insofar as the employers are involved, we have departed from the question of relationship between different corporations (e.g., whether they be single employer, alter ego, etc.) and from the element of control of operations, of labor policy specifically, to consideration of ownership or financial control by certain individuals. This differs from the principle, which was the reason for our earlier inquiry into single employer status, that partial closing of a business is violative. The Board's finding of discriminatory antiunion motive has not been disturbed. (Assumed by the court of appeals arguendo, this might itself be the subject of a remand unless it be deemed well established, as it appeared to be at my level.) That issue of motive as earlier tried in this case followed well-establi shed precedent and procedure, and without objection was limited to the motive vis-a-vis Darlington's employees, there being no reference to or apparent thought of employees elsewhere. After inquiry into Darlington's motive, the shutdown was found to be violative and discriminatory, if not "inherently discriminatory."7 If the act of closing was not inherently discriminatory, any ambiguity in that respect was explored in detail in the Trial Examiner's report of April 1957. As therein stated, full consideration was given to economic reasons for a shutdown; but on the basis of all of the evidence received, including that of the employer's motive, the finding was made that the closing was discriminatory. The shutdown and its motivation were found to be discriminatory within the meaning of the Act; discriminatory against Darlington's employees, and aside from any purpose to chill or chilling effect on employees elsewhere. The motive found at Darlington, we did not have an "ambiguous act of closing a plant following the election of a union." Further, while that finding might be overturned, there was no issue and no consequent problems which faced us concerning 5 Because I am not certain that I correctly understand the Supreme Court's references to "partial closing," I now state, for correction if I have misunderstood , that akin to a partial closing is a complete shutdown of a single business where there exists together with chilling purpose and effect, either a single employer relationship with another business or, among those who exercise control, an interest in another business "of sufficient substantiality" as described 6 Where reference is herein made to those who controlled Darlington, and their chilling purpose and effect, the application is intended also to the overall entity if single employer be ultimately found. Fn 10 of the Supreme Court's opinion. DARLINGTON MFG. CO. motive, or effect, with respect to other businesses or their employees. The Supreme Court, citing the Erie Resistor case,8 reminds us that this is not a situation where, without more, an employer "must be held to have intended the very consequences which foreseeably and inescapably flow from his actions. . . ." That thought was anticipated throughout the prior proceedings here in view of the defense of economic justification for the shutdown. We did inquire into motive, at and with respect to Darlington. Whatever the significance of motive directed elsewhere, in a proper proceeding, it was not before us earlier, as the Supreme Court has pointed out. There appears to be no question concerning the data heretofore submitted with respect to officers and directors and ownership of stock in the various corporations as indicating the substantial interest which the Court described.9 Whether on the basis of the single employer status which the Board found or because it has recognized the necessary substantial interest, or both, the remand from the Board is solely for findings on the issue of chilling purpose and effect of the Darlington shutdown vis-a-vis employees of other businesses. The test laid down by the Court brings within our purview plants anywhere and in any business, substantial interest in which is held by those in control of Darlington and Deering Milliken. Thus inquiry into the motive and the effect of Darlington's closing might extend far beyond other Deering Milliken mills. We shall note, infra, the possible effect at Deering Milliken mills of events at distant businesses almost without limit, and conversely the effect of events at Darlington on businesses not otherwise connected with either Darlington or Deering Milliken. Yet through all of this, we must bear in mind that other employers are not respondents here; and that, to this point at least, there is no question of any remedy on behalf of employees at other plants. As pointed out, because of the problems which have for so many years clamored for decision, my concern has been with the issues of violation at Darlington and remedy for its employees. We have proceeded under the remand to collect facts, to the extent that they have been submitted, from among which can be selected those which are determinative under the law including the remand. Whatever may be said concerning escalation elsewhere, escalation to a decision here is a consummation devoutly to be desired. But whether upward or downward, we must now proceed further if we would but attain the decisional stage apparently reached years ago. True, although the right to go out of business (bearing on remedy) was early recognized, there did not at first appear to be distinction between partial and complete shutdown insofar as violation is concerned; but it has been made and now is very clear as the basis for any finding herein. We shall attend to such distinction, as the Supreme Court requires, with some comment and questions. We have had 9 years of testimony, debate, analysis, and review; 9 years of concern over how to arrive at a decision, but as yet no decision. Were our concern with present 8 N L R B. v Erie Resistor Corp , et al , 373 U S 221, 228 1 The General Counsel did not at the hearing rely solely on the element of financial control By questions of other directors and stockholders, he attempted to show that their decisions and acts were dominated and controlled by Roger Milliken But the responses indicated no more than that these others were 1089 conditions , events in 1956 would be deemed stale.10 But the old conditions are here directly involved . It is only our inquiry which is stale . If hope be the nurse of young desire, frustration is its companion in old age. Though efforts have been earnest and prolonged , results have been far less than had been hoped for. We would be neglectful in attitude if not derelict in duty were we not concerned with speed and judicial validity. Unless by definition, indication of problems and raising of questions be deemed disparagement , this is not captious ; nor is it intended to be. Although it is neither my function nor my desire to be critical , I realize that the result may be the same. But problems must be faced and questions need to be considered. As if the questions originally raised were not problem enough , new issues have been injected . Surely whatever novel elements were presented did not warrant the involvements which have developed and which no one would have predicted . Unless there be clear and very different thinking' t with a willingness to put aside some of the concepts which have crept in, it is quite unlikely that there will be a decision consistent with principles well established and recognized through the years. It will be remembered that , whatever the relation between Deering Milliken and Darlington, the other mills or corporations were not deemed before us: admittedly, proof was not offered or received on the question of single employer or "empire" status between Deering Milliken on one hand and the mills other than Darlington on the other. The second hearing was left open to enable the General Counsel to prove the latter status and relationship, but finally closed without such proof . The Supreme Court's alternative of substantial interest in other businesses is not thus limited to Darlington and Deering Milliken , whatever the breadth of any review as directed of the Board's finding of single employer. A hearing pursuant to the remand was held before me in Washington , D.C., Charlotte, North Carolina , Greenville, South Carolina, and Atlanta, Georgia , on 19 hearing days in each of the 5 months of November 1965 to March 1966, as counsel prepared and agreed to proceed. Briefs have since been filed by the General Counsel and each of the Respondents. A prehearing conference was called to outline and arrange for the procedure to be followed . This conference in fact advanced the date for the hearing previously scheduled , and was the beginning of the hearing on remand . Five motions and petitions by the Respondents were first heard and decided; the Respondents ' request to the Board for permission to appeal the Trial Examiner's decisions was denied on November 29. To get the full flavor of the dish prepared at this hearing, the entire record must be examined with its proof, attempts to prove, the arguments, and the inferences claimed . But analysis and explanation for a decision should necessarily omit reference to items which , even if they cause the eyes of partisans to light up, are low in voltage. I recognize the possibility which may be expressed as follows, or more elegantly: "We know that Roger Milliken persuaded or outvoted 10 Cf. DeGregory v Attorney General of New Hampshire, 383 U S 825. " I do not here so much suggest that propositions heretofore rejected be established as that consideration be given without obnebulation to principles already recognized and declared. 1090 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD is the top man in all of these corporations. He's opposed to unions. We know that he would do everything possible to discourage and avoid unionization at Darlington and all of the other mills !" The General Counsel does in fact so argue as he points to liquidation of several mills, Roger Milliken's opposition to unionization, and the latter's emphasis on good public relations to "bring about understanding in the community" as proof of a "purpose of chilling." As trier of the facts, I reject this easy assumption even if it be called an inference, which could have been drawn without this hearing. One or a dozen plants could be shut down because of opposition, by the same controlling interests in each case, to unionization. But neither one nor a dozen such shutdowns prove an intent with respect to other plants. Intent limited in each case to the plant closed is as compatible with the employer's action in closing as is an intent to chill at other plants; or the Supreme Court and the Board would not have remanded on that point. We must seek evidence rather than rest on an inference concerning the latter possibility. (Were we on the other hand to hold violative the closing of a plant because of the employer's opposition to unionization, we would not concern ourselves with chilling purpose and effect elsewhere.) The Supreme Court has remanded for a finding. It has called for court of appeals review of the Board's finding of single employer, or for a finding of the substantiality of interlocking business interests. Yet the Supreme Court has not itself drawn an inference or indulged in assumption of intent. Nor has the Board relied on its authority and recognized expertise to make expert inferences:12 relying on the General Counsel's bill of particulars on the issues of purpose and effect, it directed a further hearing for the purpose of receiving additional evidence.13 If there be any temptation to assume chilling purpose or effect because of Roger Milliken's and Deering Milliken's relations with the various mills, we need not at this point meet any charge that it would be naive to think otherwise. The remand has been to take proof and, to the extent that findings and conclusions are made they will be based on such proof, not on any assumption, however sophisticated it may be or appear to be. Following the usual procedure, I have come to certain factual and legal conclusions after consideration of all of the testimony, the witnesses as they testified, and the arguments submitted. Now follows the need to state those conclusions with the reasons14 for them, this Decision thus becoming, in effect, an explanation, and therefore, an argument in support of the findings and conclusions. At the same time it is necessary to cover the positions of respective counsel on significant issues, still explaining agreement and disagreement. All of this must be done in the instant case in the light of novel principles and unusual procedure which affected the substantive and procedural aspects of the hearing and the efforts of counsel, and are reflected in this Decision. 1. SOME QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED With this brief history of the proceedings to date and introduction to the problems1a before us, we come to certain questions which clamor for answer. I have experienced little difficulty, after considering the testimony before us, in deciding the specific issues presented by the remand. The problem has been to present for further consideration items which had not previously been heard, such as substantial interest in other businesses, and chilling purpose and effect; or which had previously been given little emphasis by the Trial Examiner or at the hearings before him, such as whether a shutdown is lawful if complete. Mine is no dilettante interest. Whatever the problems faced in Iday-to-day involvement in such issues, and aside from any desire for a consistent and rational whole, basic principles must necessarily be declared and recognized as a guide whatever the ad hoc circumstances of any case. Whether or not, according to concensus, the Decision in this case will reflect more than passing interest. Needless to say, I cannot and do not intend to quarrel with the Supreme Court nor to question either its authority or the finality of its decisions. Having accepted the rulings in the case to date although they do not decide all of the points raised, I have followed the terms of the remand. But questions need to be asked16 for clarification of one's understanding of the Court's opinion and to reconcile with that opinion, or to recognize as overruled, principles heretofore established. This is especially important for triers of the facts, who must recognize and determine the proper scope of the trial of issues. If my queries will not solve any problems, the problems still call for solution. Understanding is certainly necessary where the Court has followed established legal principles. If there has been departure from such principles for sociological or any other reasons, this too must be recognized for future guidance at least. Questions arise with respect to the issues on which the Supreme Court has remanded. Without having so stated, the Court now completely ignores the corporate veil" if substantial economic interest and the "vital requisites" of purpose and effect be shown. There has not heretofore been nor is there now any procedural problem in finding violative the acts of a third person (not the employing entity) which tend to discourage unionization of employees. Such a finding would follow a charge, investigation, and formal complaint which in the instant situation would be against Darlington and Deering Milliken because of alleged acts vis-a-vis employees of other mills. But as we shall further note, no such issues were raised or tried in the prior hearings in this case. And were there such issues, any remedy would have run in favor of such other employees. If the idea now, as distinguished from the issues heretofore framed and tried, be to prove an unlawful plan with respect to employees elsewhere by those who exercised control over Darlington and for which Darlington 11 The Board "may infer within the limits of the inquiry from the proven facts such conclusions as reasonably may be based upon the facts proven." Republic Aviation Corporation v N L R.B., 324 U.S. 793, 800 iS The Board was undoubtedly and understandably impressed by the long list of articles cited to it in the bill of particulars, which would be impressive indeed had the articles been planned and sponsored by those who exercised control over Darlington 14 Section 8(b), Administrative Procedure Act, 60 Stat 242. 15 As part of the judicial process, we follow decisions of the courts and the Board , with due deference noting questions already covered; administrative, we note problems to be faced 16 As in a free society generally , one who participates in these cases will be at least occasionally provocative . Gal. 4.16, Luke 7.24(b) 11 Attention has been directed to "the persons exercising control." DARLINGTON MFG. CO. 1091 and Deering Milliken are responsible , our procedure has become hopelessly involved . Nor is it clear that liability to those in favor of whom responsibility would normally run (employees at other plants ) can be transferred in favor of Darlington 's employees , on whose behalf alone ( with the Charging Union ), the action was brought. If "an unfair labor practice has been made out" (other than that which has on the lowest decisional levels been found ), by whom has it been committed , and against whom ? This case illustrates the weakness of attempting by procedural turns to inject claims which were not earlier considered and certainly not earlier alleged. It may be asked : Is there no limit to the area, extent, or nature of our inquiry ? Is that which would have been deemed collateral and which the parties themselves did not regard as even remotely relevant now to be deemed of primary interest ? Here we have proceeded on the basis of an affirmative reply. As noted infra, I did impose a time limit of 5 years although I would not maintain that evidence of chilling purpose and effect could not extend beyond it.18 Aside from logically limitless effect (a concept which injects other and distant causes and the need to separate and evaluate), what if Roger Milliken had in 1965, by an admission or otherwise , unequivocally indicated a chilling purpose in 1956 ? (I would modify my ruling in such an event .) I do not here suggest that my ruling for a 5-year period was not reasonable ; I do suggest the limitless magnitude of the problem posed in this case and in the future when , with knowledge of this new interest in purpose and effect elsewhere , the parties may both dissemble and prepare to extend their proof (as they could not have been expected to prepare in this case ). While we must not let our judgment be affected by the present possibility, the results here may well emerge as they do, not because of the events in 1956 and shortly thereafter, but because the parties ' recent efforts to obtain proof were made many years after the events in issue. We have had no allegations of violation with respect to employees of other mills.19 If violation be found , we would have no remedy on behalf of those other employees. Any remedy for violation found with respect to employees at other mills would not inure to the advantage of Darlington 's employees . A remedy provision does not stem from benefit derived by an employer; nor would it be measured by such benefit if the latter could itself be measured. Early in my first report in this case I noted possible limitation of remedy "since we have no evidence of other mills in privity with" Darlington. It was there also pointed out that the exclusion by the General Counsel of the issue of privity did not prevent findings of violation. With the subsequent injection of that issue, we could now further explore possible remedies, that being the reason for the second hearing, in 1958, and the basis for concern in the report thereon. But privity among various mills and corporations, however it might affect the remedy, was not deemed to bear on the issue of violation by the Respondents in their obligations toward the employees of Darlington, against whom alone violations are alleged to have been committed. Conceivably it might have been charged and alleged that violations were committed against employees of other mills: there was a purpose, there was an effect (or tendency to affect), and they were chilled. But this was neither alleged nor charged. We recall that, whatever the extent of our inquiry originally and as first remanded, the issues defined were violation at Darlington and remedy for its employees. Charging the Board with "a fatal defeat" in not transcending the issues before it, the Supreme Court has injected new and different issues, reaching to employees of other mills.20 The Supreme Court similarly indicates that the questions raised by it were not quite reached even in the court of appeals' dissenting consideration of single employer and responsibility. Under the circumstances we can withhold questions concerning the extent to which the corporate veil is to be pierced and the Respondents held liable for events at Darlington and all of the other mills because of a common controlling financial interest in all of the corporations. An interesting reflection on the issue of control and single employer is found in the appeals court minority declaration in support of its finding of single employer, that Roger Milliken kept himself informed but was not always followed !-"These and other suggestions [by Roger Milliken] were not always followed, but they unmistakably indicate that Roger Milliken kept himself constantly informed as to what was occurring." I realize that my own reflections on the questions involved are virtually irrelevant: the Board and the courts, in their superior wisdom and authority, may not design to take notice of them; much less to reply to such considerations as that to see no offense in a complete cessation of21 business22 while finding partial cessation 18 Because judgment or discretion on review might differ from mine, I encouraged (the parties have not at other times required encouragement , nor have I at any other time offered it) the General Counsel to take an interim appeal from my ruling He did not, nor did counsel for Darlington who, without stating what he thought would not be, objected that events in 1959 or thereafter are "too remote." 1s If I repeat or pile on related arguments , it is because of the difficulty of the burden, which I am assuming , of being ultimately persuasive , the issues appearing to me to be of transcendent importance. 20 It is true that the Board did not make findings of employer motivation or effect with respect to employees at other plants Such motivation was not considered by any of the parties, and would not properly have been inquired into under the pleadings- it was not in issue . Had testimony along these lines been offered to me earlier , I should have been compelled by the law and the cases to reject it rather than permit counsel to go beyond the issues as defined . The motivation to discourage union activities was litigated , and findings thereon made 21 As the Supreme Court has pointed out , the Board did not argue this issue before it. But the point was in detail maintained by the Board in its Decision . It is clear that the earlier findings of motivation and violation vis-a-vis Darlington's employees do not require findings of chilling purpose and effect at other mills-except that under the Supreme Court's decision the latter is now a condition or prerequisite for the former . The Board found discriminatory motive in closing Darlington because of the Union's election victory The Supreme Court has declared that there is no violation under such circumstances where the shutdown is complete , but it directed inquiry into the motive with respect to businesses elsewhere where substantial financial interest was held by those who controlled Darlington In short, shutdown because of antiunion motivation at the closed plant is not violative ; but shutdown with antiunion purpose directed toward other plants is violative . I am unable to see any basis in the Act, in logical judicial construction thereof, or in practical policy (if that be a test) for rejecting as the basis for a finding an employer 's immediate antiunion motivation while inquiring into his motive to chill unionism elsewhere (To admit that the latter bears on the question of completeness of the shutdown indicates that the concern is with remedy while the issue being considered is violation it does not explain disregard of motivation at the site while motivation elsewhere is stressed.) 22 With the qualification that there may not be a chilling purpose or effect as described , the Supreme Court has adopted 1092 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD violative defies my attempts to understand and provides experientially a built-in form of discrimination and interference with protected concerted activities, and that what an employer may not lawfully warn against or threaten he may lawfully do.23 These thoughts are nevertheless submitted out of a long standing and intimate concern and familiarity with the issues in the case and in the persistent hope that they may intrude on the consciousness of higher and more potent authority. Although one of first impression, this case is not merely episodic; it may well constitute precedent for claims of far-reaching purpose and effect in cases of a type which have been fairly and adequately handled without such involvement. My concern as Trial Examiner is not and should not be whether the outcome favors one side or another. Rather, to the extent that I act as a judicial officer, I cannot ignore established judicial and juridical principles wherever they may lead. All of this might safely be pointed out from the refuge or vantage point of a law review article. But my connection with the case has been so close and of such long standing as to indicate that these thoughts be embodied here for possible consideration with the current evidence and findings. Precedent indicates that, where discharges are prompted or triggered by union activity or would not have been effected but for such activity, the liability and remedy for such discharges increases with the number of discharges. The sole forerunner of a declaration that, when the number of discharges reaches the point of completeness or full realization and all employees are thus terminated, the increasing liability suddenly vanishes24 is the declaration that an employer who has gone out of business completely cannot be ordered to return to business. But the question of ordering a return or reopening of the business is one of remedy. For evident practical reasons and whatever substitute may be found, an employer cannot be directed to reestablish his operations. But this matter of remedy or outcome does not in the least impair a finding that violation has been committed.25 The Board recognized this when it devoted the greater part of its decision to the problem of violation before it reached the problem of single employer and remedy. Actually the remedy in directing that discharged employees be given backpay until they obtain substantially similar employment may be more costly than would be a possible continuation of the business since the economic loss, even in a losing business, is usually less than the entire labor cost.26 Thus the forerunner of the declaration that there is no violation where there has been a complete going out of business is but a declaration that an egg cannot be unscrambled27 (not an apt analogy in all cases), not that there has been no violation. As quoted in one of the Board's dissenting opinions28 from the legislative history of the law, "No one can keep an employer from closing down his factory...." This is but a recognition of the law since common law days, and of reality. But whatever the lack or limitation of power to direct positive action by way of remedy, the issues as framed by the pleadings need to be decided and the questions of violation of the statute, clearly set forth and fully litigated, need to be answered. Let us now consider more directly a declaration that there is no violation where violation has been carried out to the limit. Without attempting to anticipate every form of contrary argument, I shall endeavor to meet some which may conceivably be persuasive. The importance of the problems in this and other connections and the time spent to date warrant such consideration even at the expense of repetition. As the statute provides, violation of Section 8(a)(3) is found when employees are discharged because of union activities. Within proper allegations, effect on other employees, with which the Supreme Court has here concerned itself as we shall further note, is properly considered under Section 8(a)(1). This procedure can be consistently followed whether there be a partial or complete closing; and should be followed, it is submitted, under the terms of the Act. The Act forbids an employer to affect the employment relationship by discrimination as described. It does not as an exception permit such discrimination where it is committed to the limit of destroying completely the hire and tenure relationship. Discriminatory discharge of one employee completely destroys the relationship as to him and is recognized as violative. The basis is not clear (it is certainly not in the Act) for a volte face declaration that the same statute permits multiplication of the offense to the point of totality. Thus Section 2(3) of the Act unambiguously continues in employee status those "whose work has ceased as a consequence29 of, or in connection with, any current labor dispute or because of any unfair labor practice...." This provision of the statute is amended, deleted, and indeed reversed by the Supreme Court's declaration, "The closing of an entire business, even though discriminatory, ends the employer-employee relationship Furthermore, having recognized a closing as "discriminatory," how can we deny that it is violative, whether there be a remedy or not ?30 As for the Supreme Court's call for "the clearest Continued the language which it quotes from the Eighth Circuit Court's opinion in N.L.R.B v. New Madrid Manufacturing Company, etc, 215 F 2d 908, 914, that an employer may "permanently close and go out of business . for whatever reason he may choose, whether union animosity or anything else, and without his being thereby left subject to a remedial liability . " (Intended or not, the declaration of absence of remedy is understandable But the Court's reference to the New Madrid decision is with respect to whether such action is "prohibited" or violative) This is very different from the Supreme Court 's statement in its American Ship Building opinion concerning "employer actions taken to serve legitimate business interests in some significant fashion considered infra 23 Other general and troublesome points are noted infra as various portions of the evidence are considered. 24 The problem here cannot be analogized with a vanishing decoy 25 Not only is there a semantic and logical distinction between violation and remedy , but that distinction indicates a different procedure or effort in seeking a remedy 26 Cf American Manufacturing Company of Texas, 156 NLRB 1225. As explained infra, little more will be said herein on the question of possible remedy since that problem was not reached in any of the intervening decisions 24 The scrambler is not exculpated even if, as I have earlier maintained , the predicament be hopeless 28 139 NLRB 241, 264 29 Section 2(3) Not only has "consequence " been found, "connection" is not to be reasonably denied 30 Having declared that these are no longer employees of Darlington, the Court does find , as we shall see, a legal relationship which will sustain a finding of discrimination, among employees of other businesses which are in no way connected with that mill (as successor , alter ego , or in common operation and control, for example ) except by a common ownership or voting control . If complete shutdown be not violative , requiescat a males without resurrection or reincarnation DARLINGTON MFG. CO. manifestation of legislative intent" with respect to a single businessman's right to go out of business if he wants to, the reply lies in the plain and unambiguous language of Section 8(a)(3) of the Act. The statutory definition of violation does not reflect a distinction between partial and complete shutdown, whatever problems may ensue with respect to remedy. To decry "too literal" an interpretation here would be but to knock down a strawman of one's own creation. Literal or liberal, concerned with the language of the statute or with some divined interpretation of legislative intent; whatever the degree of creativeness or virtuosity, we should be left with some reflection of the law as enacted and as interpreted throughout its history. The discrimination is not permitted, regardless of, and without reference to, its extent, whether 1 percent or 100 percent. Aside from other comment in the majority opinion in the recent Allis-Chalmers case,31 and regardless of the outcome there, the following language can here be adopted with profit: The statutes in question present no ambiguities whatsoever, and therefore do not require recourse to legislative history for clarification. The wording used evolved out of extensive Congressional debate and study. Although in our original opinion we rejected a literal reading of the statutes, in effect, we conceded that such a literal reading would require reversal of the Board's Order .... If the Congress did not mean to say what Congress has so clearly said, then Congress itself must indicate that fact by legislative enactment. This Court should not attempt to change the plain wording of this statute by judicial interpretation The statement by the Fourth Circuit Court in the instant case, quoted with approval by the Supreme Court, that the Act "does not compel a person to become or remain an employer," argues for too much. One does not remain an employer in the abstract; he is an employer in relation to specific employees. If he cannot be compelled to remain an employer, this would be true as well with respect to some of his employees as with respect to all. The statute in its reference to interference and discrimination does not distinguish between acts against some and against all employees. Thus again we have no basis in the plain words of the statute for discrimination or difference in its application. In the language of the Supreme Court in two recent cases, ... when the [statute] speaks of any right ... it means precisely that.32 . the language of [the statute] is plain and unlimited.33 31 Allis-Chalmers Mfg Co v. N L R B , 358 F 2d 656, 660-661 (C A 7). 31 U S. v Guest, et al , 383 U S 745, 753 33 U S v Price, et al , 383 U S 787, 800 34 Should anyone suggest, in the words of the Secretary of Labor, that "deletion is the better part of valor," I would reply that I am not being valorous, but am seeking understanding and guidance 1 Corinthians 14 10-11 Perhaps one should be concerned, but not too much-except from the refuge of a law journal article 35 N.L R.B v. Waterman Steamship Corporation, 309 U S 206, 1093 If it be not the duty of the learned Court to instruct, we can and should look to it for guidance. I am not alone in appreciation of assistance in discerning that the Act is ambiguous in this respect.34 We can further consider the language of the court of appeals, quoted by the Supreme Court. Whatever the right of either side to "withdraw from [the employer-employee] status with immunity," the statute specifically forbids discrimination with regard to tenure of employment; and tenure of employment covers creation or termination of the employer-employee status. The statutory condition with respect to termination of the employment relationship does not at all concern the extent of such termination, whether it affects all or some employees; it is that termination may not be discriminatory in regard to tenure of employment to discourage union membership. Recognizing this, one may question findings of discrimination or antiunion motivation, which are in this case clear, but not declare a determining distinction between partial and complete firings. Again, since discharge of all employees is violative in the absence of a shutdown,35 where, with addition of the element of shutdown, is the redeeming feature which justifies and absolves from violation? With discharge of all employees and liquidation of the plant, tenure of employment and concerted activities are pleasantly dead- and as completely so as is the liquidation complete. We may not, by pointing to the corpse, deny that a living person has been murdered. If A kills B and then himself, there is no remedy;36 but A did violate the law and B's rights. This analogy does not warrant a lurid charge that Darlington murdered the employment relationship. The motivation for the terminations is another issue, which was early determined but passed on only arguendo by the court of appeals. But the terminations were complete and the liquidation consummated; and the analogy has been drawn to indicate that violation can be declared even if there is no remedy. There is no question but that the Supreme Court decision is to be followed. But if questions be raised concerning its meaning and rationale, explanation or clarification may be forthcoming which will help litigants and lawyers alike. Having found violation, we could employ our energies, wisdom, ingenuity, and expertise in a search for a remedy. In the American Ship Building case,37 issued simultaneously with its opinion in the instant case, the Supreme Court declared: But we have consistently construed the section [8(a)(3)] to leave unscathed a wide range of employer actions taken to serve legitimate business interests in some significant fashion, even though the act committed may tend to discourage union membership. See, e.g., Labor Board v. Mackay Radio & Telegraph Co., 304 U.S. 333, 347. Such a construction of ยง 8(a)(3) is essential if due protection is 219 36 If A died possessed of assets, h,s estate would be liable to B's heirs As earlier pointed out , the situation with respect to remedy at Darlington is different in the absence of a base for measurement of loss . It would appear that, were violation found at Darlington, this proposition of lack of remedy because of absence of measureable loss would be upheld by the courts which to this point have held that a complete cessation of business is not even violative 3' Local 374, Boilermakers [The American Ship Building Company] v N L R.B , 380 U S. 300,311 299-352 0-70-70 1094 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD to be accorded the employer's right to manage his enterprise. See Textile Workers v. Darlington Mfg. Co., ante [380 U.S.] p. 263. Since Darlington is cited in connection with the proposition declared in American Ship Building, it is appropriate to examine our case in the light of the concept expressed in the other. In American Ship Building the Court was dealing with a disciplinary discharge for cause. In Darlington, where the reaction has been found to have been to employees' lawful concerted activities, the "employer actions taken" were the steps to close the business. What "legitimate business interests" did such actions serve in the face of the Board's finding that the mill would not have been closed but for the union victory in the election and, as the Supreme Court here noted, "the anti-union animus of Roger Milliken?"38 Darlington's appraisal of the economic situation and its interests had led it to embark on a program of plant improvement. The only newly intervening factor was the Union's election victory. Unless excision, dismissal, and banishment of the Union provided such interests, which legitimate business interests of Darlington were served? Surely animus and opposition to a union and interference with and discouragement of union activities are not "legitimate business interests" which may_ be pursued under the Act. Early in this processing I emphasized the value and the significance of the free enterprise system.39 I thereafter maintained the independence and separability of corporations. 40 It does not derogate from the free enterprise system to hold that an employer who goes out of business because his employees' protected union activities violates the express terms of the Act, whether or not an effective remedy be available. Considering remedy first, I early explained why none is here possible, a question not since considered. Without stating mine or any other reasons, the Supreme Court agreed (although it continued by withholding a finding of violation) to the limited extent that it declared: "No such remedy is available when an entire business has been terminated." These are not distinctions without a difference or exercises in semantics. Careful analysis and reconciliation are requisites of the legal system and indeed in our thinking. I do not presume to declare or believe that "the Court applies legal standards that cannot be reconciled with [other] decisions of [the] Court ...." 91 But we can find valid bases for distinction or else modify our conclusions if we are to maintain a consistent and logical system. Putting aside the question of remedy, the finding of violation depends not at all on any requirement that the employer stay in or return to business. While in the face of the Court's decision to the contrary, I may no longer regard the shutdown as violative, my own lengthy and repeated involvement may provide license, if objections are not permitted, to indicate these problems which the decision creates. To state this in another if not more persuasive way, if the right to go out of business as stated be absolute, the Act does not modify that right, regardless of possible result. On the other hand, if chilling purpose or repercussions must also be taken into consideration, then the right to terminate has now been declared not to be absolute, despite any statutory, constitutional, or practical questions. Considering the right42 to shut down as distinguished from remedy, there is no basis in statute or reason for declaring the rights to be different because in one case the closing is complete while in the other it is partial. Similarly, if motivation be relevant in a closing where substantial interests are held in other businesses, etc., there is no basis in the Act (still considering the right to close) for declaring motivation irrelevant and the right to close absolute where the closing is complete and there are no such interests elsewhere. Since the Supreme Court has directed pursuit of the question of intimidation of employees of other businesses, it is here for the first time declared that discharge of Darlington's own employees may be but is by itself not violative; the outcome depends on intent and acts related to employees elsewhere. But if chilling purpose and effect be found with respect to employees of other mills, there is no suggestion of remedy for those employees. Our remedy, if any, is to be applied against the Respondents here and in favor of Darlington's employees;43 and such remedy, even the finding of violation, depends on a purpose with respect to and an effect on employees elsewhere !44 At this late date it may be in order to point out that this case does not include, among other things, allegations against businesses other than Darlington and Deering Milliken, or allegations of conspiracy or of a common plan or purpose among mills or corporations not named as respondents. Although the issues through the years have been violation by Darlington, at Darlington, and with respect to Darlington employees, we have transferred attention fro in what would be violation against Darlington's employees but for the complete, shutdown to effect on employees elsewhere of acts which might be declared violative in proceedings involving the latter. The instances of alleged violation at other mills cited by the General Counsel would normally be made the basis of charges and complaints against those mills. Cases are not unusual in which an employer is found to have discriminated by refusal to hire employees of an organized plant or to have interfered unlawfully by citing as a warning or threat plants elsewhere which have closed with the advent of a union. But the organized or closed plants are not charged with such interference. Here they maybe ! Further in such other cases, violation of the rights of the employees discriminated against or otherwise interfered with is alleged on their behalf against the later employer. 1s Similarly, it was brought out at the hearing that Simpson, one of the local stockholders but a substantial one and owner of stock in other Deering Milliken and non -Deering Milliken , unionized and nonuniomzed mills, opposes unions generally Like many other points explored at the hearing , this has no bearing on the instant issues since Simpson 's was hardly a controlling voice at Darlington and his "pocketbook" motive reflects no chilling purpose toward other businesses 39 139 NLRB 241, 271 40 Id , at 292, 314, passim. 4' The American Ship Building Company v N L R.B , supra at 318, concurring opinion of Mr. Justice White 41 It is a truism that if the right to act exists, the act cannot be violative 43 If employment could be directed in the controlled and related other businesses defined by the Court, what remedy if these are not "in the same line of commercial activity" and therefore cannot use the discharged employees ? From one extreme of no violation , we could go to the other of backpay until equivalent employment elsewhere be available , which we have seen can be more harsh than an order to reinstate. 44 Novelty is neither its own sole nor its best recommendation DAJILINGTON MFG. CO. 1095 In the instant case, while the inquiry is into the effect on such employees, the violations with which we are concerned are against Darlington and any remedy would run to its employees-without remedy to those interfered with at the locus delicti. Having indicated that what was done at other mills was not within the scope of the pleadings before us, I would state further that there may be some question whether the Supreme Court's interest , encompassing the effect of Darlington's acts elsewhere, includes the effect of what was said or done at another mill if this latter were itself found to be an effect of what was done at Darlington; i.e., effect of effect. Whether this will clarify or confuse, the question now is, if we find that what occurred at Darlington prompted an act which interfered with employees at another mill, should we weigh the effect of the latter interference as chargeable to Darlington or a proximate result of the acts at Darlington, or only as the effect of the later interference at the other mill? If we are concerned with foreseeable effect or tendency, a finding can be based on rather extended inferences as we consider other mills or businesses in which a substantial interest was held, etc. (More of this, infra, when we consider chilling effect.) Nor should we overlook a question of policy which is at least suggested by the Act's 6-month limitation. What if interference with the rights of employees of other mills and discrimination against them were now disclosed? Section 10(b) bars finding of violation against those employees by such mills or by the Respondents here. It is true that these matters are here inquired into only for their reflection on the events at Darlington and under charges timely filed as to Darlington and its employees, and as to Deering Milliken.45 But those 10-year-old charges and the complaints issued under them did not embrace or contemplate events elsewhere, whether contemporaneous or later. Consideration needs to be given at least to the question whether, in view of the statutory limitation and its purpose, new and different matters should now be inquired into when during the intervening years there was no recognition or suggestion that they were within the scope of any charge before the Board. This point has troubled counsel for Deering Milliken to the extent that he moved to dismiss the claim presented by the remand on the ground that, whatever unfair labor practice had occurred and might be found- under the remand , it was not against Darlington 's employees or within any complaint before us. While seeking clarification as indicated, we have proceeded in the belief that to grant the motion would be contrary to the Court's direction for remand and the Board's remand order; and that the Supreme Court' s attention has not been diverted, in counsel's words, from "the unfair labor practice charge [which] was directed at the Darlington employees." We do not here have an "enlarging"46 of the charge. What the Supreme Court has declared may indicate administrative procedure to be followed in the future. Hence without jurisdiction over other mills and even without purpose to weigh acts at other mills as themselves violative or not, we have received evidence pro and con concerning such acts and must pass on its sufficiency to establish a benefit47 to be reaped; that benefit must run, not to the "other" mills or employers, but to Darlington or Deering Milliken. Indeed the issue presented is not even whether benefit runs to the Respondents: the benefit to be found must inure to "the persons exercising control over" them. Similarly the issues of chilling purpose and effect relate to those who control Darlington and Deering Milliken: Darlington because that is the corporation which was liquidated, Deering Milliken to the extent that it further identifies those in control and because it is a Respondent. That such persons who exercise control are not respondents must not concern us. If we find benefit to them, we are directed to find violation and remedy against the corporate respondents which those persons control. Say what one will, and it probably will be said. But a Pandora's box has been opened in the following respects at least: 1. Illegality in closing part of a business vanishes if the entire business is closed. 2. A threat to terminate a business for antiunion reasons is unlawful, but consummation of the threat may be lawful. 3. If the work had continued with new personnel, discrimination would be found because Darlington would thus have "discourage[d] any future union activities."48 The benefit would be sought from the new employees: the discrimination and interference would presumably be found to have been against the discharged employees. (What could more effectively discourage new employees, former employees, and employees at other businesses than knowledge of a decision that a complete shutdown because the employees have voted for a union may be lawful?) 4. A shutdown for antiunion reasons, specifically because a union has won an election, is not violative if aimed only at the employees terminated. Complete shutdown is not violative, we are told, "in the absence of a showing of motivation which is aimed at achieving the 45 Distinction may be necessary between a finding of violation by chilling purpose, to explain the acts alleged and found violative within the Bryan Manufacturing rule (Local Lodge No. 1424, lAM v N L.R B , 362 U S 411 ), and a finding of chilling effect, based on act, which would themselves be found violative if properly alleged We are in effect saying that the latter acts cannot be found violative but that they are necessary for and do support the allegations before us 44 Cathey Lumber Company, 86 NLRB 157, 162 4'' For the element of harm done to employees or interference and discrimina tion has been substituted a test of benefit to the employer The Supreme Court refers to "repercussions . . affording employer leverage" for interference with Section 7 rights of employees elsewhere , whose rights are not in issue. Our attention is again directed , not to remedy in favor of the employees elsewhere interfered with and for the acts against them, but to remedy to Darlington employees for such acts elsewhere or the likelihood thereof If there be improper leverage against employees elsewhere , the remedy lies in a proceeding on their behalf In fact, despite the reference to employer leverage, the benefit to be found under the remand and pursuant to the Court's test runs to those individuals who control the employer. 49 At this point in the Supreme Court 's opinion it was pointed out that the Court was not "concerned with a shutdown where the employees , by renouncing the union , could cause the plant to reopen ." We recall that Roger Milliken said that he would not operate with a 17 percent hard core of prounion employees The implication is that, but for that hard core, steps taken to shut down would have been reversed and operations continued Violation would be found under those circumstances , but not necessarily now where the shutdown is effectuated and all employees discharged. 1096 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL prohibited effect." 49 But such prohibited effect is now sought among employees elsewhere since, referring to an "ambiguous act of closing a plant following the election of a union ," the Supreme Court does not consider the finding that the closing here was unambiguous and unlawfully motivated, which as noted supra has not been disturbed. The Court posits instead the three factors of substantial interest, purpose, and effect, with respect to the closing,50 all relating to other businesses and employees. 5. Intent with respect to, and activity at, other businesses are relevant to the issue of violation although neither charged nor alleged. 6. Violative acts elsewhere somehow establish a remedy for Darlington's employees. 7. Acts elsewhere are examined for what might be found to be violations but without remedy for the employees directly affected. 4' Unwilling to assume the motive and effect which were to be proved, the Supreme Court did not in this case rely on the concept of "natural consequence" (Radio Officers' Union v N.L.R B., 347 U S. 17, 45) in discouraging union activities as proof of unlawful motivation , intent , or purpose In my 1957 report I overruled Darlington 's argument that "motivation loses all significance when the employer permanently quits business," and stressed Darlington 's motivation but not that of any other corporation or individual In the interest of historical accuracy , I should point out that the brief now submitted on behalf of Darlington erroneously declares that I earlier held that the Darlington "closing was unlawful because ' (a) termination due to a mixture of reasons, some lawful and others not, violates the Act."' (Emphasis not in original ) I did not say that the closing was unlawful "because" of a mixture of reasons I did there refer to authority previously cited on that point But my finding was specifically that "the decision to close the mill was not in fact based on economic factors, and that, but for the Union's election victory, that decision would not then have been made"; and further , whatever now be said concerning motive or purpose as to employees elsewhere , that such a decision "would not have been made but for the protected organizational activities " Hence, in the language of N L.R B . v Brown, et al d/bla Brown Food Stores, et al , 380 U .S. 278, 288, the employer's conduct was not "reasonably adapted to achieve legitimate business ends or to deal with business exigencies " Darlington 's brief relies on Brown Food Stores as requiring proof not only of motivation , but that the conduct was as therein declared "primarily motivated " by unlawful animus or purpose This is at the other extreme from the concept of motivation "at least in part ," to quote from the Board 's remand order. As pointed out infra, the proper test and necessary measure can well be between these two a substantial or a triggering purpose without which the action would not have been taken, but not necessarily the dominant purpose This harmonizes with the idea stated by the Supreme Court in the instant case of "promise of their reaping a benefit" without reliance on bare existence of such a promise, which would call for little or no proof, or on the other hand on its status as the dominant or primary factor American Ship Building , 380 U.S. 300, 310, cited by Darlington, is not quite in point in this connection for there the Supreme Court relied on the employer 's sole purpose , not on any primary or partial motivation (cf. p 326) so Whether or not it were held, as I did earlier, that Darlington violated Section 8(a)(1), (3 ), and (5) of the Act, it would seem that any inquiry into purpose and effect would be with respect to all such violations , including acts of independent interference in violation of Section 8(a)(1), and the 8(a)(5) refusal to bargain, not merely the shutdown Where as here violation of Section 8(a)(3) has not been found but is declared to depend on purpose and effect elsewhere , considerations of consistency and relevance would suggest inquiry into purpose and effect of all of Darlington's acts which I found to be violative or which were alleged to be so-or , if we go beyond the allegations , into the purpose and effect elsewhere of all acts at Darlington. Thus, LABOR RELATIONS BOARD 8. Because of problems of remedy, what appear to be violations and findings thereof pursuant to the language and stated significance of Sections 2(3) and 8(a)(3) of the Act are nullified. 9. Transcending the natural and statutory limitation of effect on the employees directly involved as alleged, we face ever-widening circles of effect elsewhere. 10. Violation is found on the basis of acts which are barred by Section 10(b) of the Act. 11. The statutory test of violation of employees' rights has here been replaced by a criterion of benefit to those who control the employer.51 12. Identity of economic interest rather than exercise of common control is made to determine singleness of enterprise and mutual liability of corporation S.52 With respect to the questions of single employer and possible remedy, it may suffice for the present to note that, finding interference by Darlington's supervisors , I held that these did not reflect Roger Milliken 's declarations , the Board in its decision did "not adopt , or pass upon" this latter holding Were the question now before us, a finding of Roger Milliken's connection with such interference might provide a starting point for further inquiry into his chilling purpose with respect to employees elsewhere. Si One question considered at the heating on single employer relationship was whether there was preference in transfer of orders from Darlington to other Deering Milliken mills at the time of closing Another was whether the latter mills attempted to take over Darlington 's business and accounts by undertaking the cloth constructions on which Darlington had been engaged The negative answer to both of these questions still stands. While the Supreme Court 's interest in benefit to Darlington and Deering Milliken or those who controlled them is limited to benefit in connection with organizational activities at other mills, there is at least logic in extension of such interest , even if belated; and we can here note the finding of absence of benefit to the other mills, and thus to those holding a substantial interest in them, with respect to manufacture and sales 52 The burden of a finding of chilling purpose with respect to other mills and therefore of violation by Darlington, their corporation , is imposed on local minority stockholders who, it appears, had no interest in the other mills and some of whom opposed the shutdown (I do not mean to add to the problems in this case those dealing with relations between a corporation and its stockholders .) The loss to these lesser stockholders is based on their "association," in no case close or personal (conceivably in another case as literal strangers ), with others who exercise control here while holding substantial business interests elsewhere, as defined With corporate existence ignored , the loss to one group of stockholders is made to depend on benefit to the other group. I would distinguish between the acts of Darlington , the corporation, which may cause loss to all of its stockholders , from the intent of some stockholders with respect to other businesses and employees My earlier finding of violation was based on the acts of Respondent Darlington An additional possible problem which only relatively could be called slight would be an order for backpay where reinstatement could not be ordered (Section 10(c)) because a closed business could not be directed to reopen (This would not obtain where the work has been continued in another department , or in another single employer situation ) While the Board directs backpay, where work has been completed , to date of completion, that can be deemed equivalent ( and more ) to reinstatement and payment which the employees would have received while the job was available In the instant case, however , no job was available to anyone from the date of the respective discharges that date would be the " date of completion" unless backpay were directed into the undefined future, supra Any other date to limit backpay bungs us back to my original question concerning remedy where there has been a violative but complete shutdown DARLINGTON MFG. CO. while the Board, without reference to arguments or analogies cited, reversed the Trial Examiner's finding that Darlington and other corporations were not a single employer, this point has not been decided by the courts. Although troublesome, that issue may yet clamor for decision, and then the further troublesome issue of remedy, raised in the original hearing and report thereon but since avoided.53 Only with respect to Section 8(a)(1) and (5) violations may it be said that distinction between violation and remedy has been noted in the majority opinion of the court of appeals where, at the close, violation of those sections was recognized, the court then declaring: "Remedies for these offenses are not now available as Darlington is no longer alive." It will suffice to note that, with respect to findings of violation of Section 8(a)(5) also, whatever the subsequent relations among the employer, its employees, and other employers (and subsequent problems concerning remedy because of "a basic operational change,)" 54 they do not modify whatever obligation may exist to bargain concerning shutdown or the violation for failure to meet that obligation. Whatever has been or may be said concerning remedy, our problems would be clear and perhaps more simple were violation found whether the shutdown be partial or complete. This is not to say that there may not be cases involving multiple businesses and common plan or purpose. But such cases must include a comprehensive initial concept and consistent supporting steps thereafter. Complications could be avoided or minimized, and the promise or hope offered for a proper decision not too long delayed. To borrow at this point from the Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit in the recent Great Western Broadcasting case,55 where it was pointed out that the Supreme Court had spoken in broad terms, "the incongruity . . . may not control the ultimate decision ... whatever difficulties an analytical dissecting ... may reveal." Additional benefit may lie in noting this in the instant case since many of these points have not yet been argued before the Supreme Court. Whatever action the Board may take with respect to my findings, conclusions, and recommendations, these and other comments herein are by their very nature not addressed to it; and the Board is, of course, not responsible for them. Prompted by my own long connection with the case and heightened concern for final and adequate disposition, such comments, in the usual phrase, do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the Board. If it be not the Trial Examiner's function to attempt to persuade the courts, what has here been said may explain the Trial Examiner's earlier findings in the light of the questions since raised; and it may further elicit explanation or reconciliation which will assist in the decisional process at these lower levels. II. SCOPE Testimony was long ago received on the violations originally alleged and the nature of the relationship between Deering Milliken and Darlington; and as we have seen, full opportunity granted for proof of relationship between Deering Milliken and other corporations. All Sa Were we to return to basic principles and the original issues, more could be said on the issue of possible remedy where violation is found in the closing of the business I resist the temptation to express further thoughts on that issue at this time 1097 parties agreed that we were not here considering these questions, and neither offering nor receiving testimony concerning them. Whatever such proof, it was available before the remand. Whatever findings be made concerning that proof, it was agreed that they will not be based on the evidence received at this fifth hearing. I recognize and of course- accept the Board's contrary findings on the single employer question, and I shall not now add to my earlier analyses, explanations, or findings on either issue. On the other hand, findings of chilling purpose and effect are to be based on both the evidence now received, and the earlier evidence on the issues originally presented concerning violations at Darlington and thereafter on single employer status. To avoid repetition of what had earlier been brought out and to enable the parties to meet a very relevant claim, it was proposed and agreed that, with respect to chilling purpose and effect, consideration of such earlier evidence be limited to the portions cited at this hearing. This having been noted, it should be unnecessary to point out that the sum total of the evidence received prior to this latest hearing will not suffice for findings of chilling purpose or effect. The Supreme Court, considering these issues, did not decide them on the basis of such prior evidence but remanded for further findings; and the Board remanded for further hearing. To this, I shall add what might have been stated at the beginning: That it can be assumed that the Supreme Court did not envision the possibility of no foreseeable effect. Whether foreseen or even considered at Darlington, some effect can be assumed. No more than a man can a corporation act without effect elsewhere; and effect is presumably greater within the same industry and within a group whose members are related as here. Darlington, Deering Milliken, and Roger Milliken are neither islands nor isolated. We must weigh to a point of degree a foreseeable effect (of the acts at Darlington of those who controlled it) on which to base liability. As our problem becomes one of sufficiency of proof that there was a chilling purpose and effect, evaluations may differ on the issue of weight or sufficiency. In any event, as we shall see, the hearing has proceeded on the issue of actual effect as against the limited proof of such effect and the testimony that it was not purposed. We find ourselves again, in this Sisyphean project, with more problems than initially existed or were submitted by the parties. The possible scope of the instant hearing was very wide. Our inquiry could have extended into many places and could have delved into many specific situations for the evidence called for by the remand. That this would have been a tremendous burden cannot be gainsaid; but we are limited to the proof received, which concerns Deering Milliken mills only, and only some of those; and we may not assume that what has been received is typical and to be regarded as if multiplied many times. Certainly in weighing effect, the extent of the effect, whether foreseeable or actual, is obviously important. There is no precedent for holding, for example, that what a supervisor in one mill said to a number of employees is to be multiplied by a factor which will bring before us and represent all of the employees in the mill or in all of the 54 N.L R B v. Adams Dairy, Inc , 350 F 2d 108,111 (C A. 8). 55 Great Western Broadcasting Corp. d/b/a KXTV v. Hoffman, Reg Dir., 356 F 2d 434,436-437 (C A 9) 1098 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD businesses with which, under the remand, we ought to be concerned. My own expectation, indicated at the hearing, was that the proof under the remand would be far more extensive; and that having labored so long, the proponents would grasp this opportunity to submit the mass of testimony which was now conceivably made possible on these new and so wide issues. Certainly with the issue of actual effect on employees in other businesses, a mass of testimony concerning this would be expected-unless such effect were nonexistent or exiguous. The importance, prominence, and very age of this case merit no less. In fact, if considering the possible extent of inquiry for proof of actual effect, very little has been submitted, even less new matter has been added that would bear on the chilling purpose entertained with respect to employees elsewhere, at the time of the shutdown, by those who controlled Darlington; and the tendency of the shutdown at Darlington to chill union activities elsewhere could quite as well have been determined without this hearing. But since a hearing was directed and held, we shall proceed to consider the testimony received on the issue of purpose and of foreseeable and actual effect. At the hearing and in his brief the General Counsel has argued various points and details. But the supporting evidence is meager. Whatever the legal conclusions hoped for by counsel, and the arguments for such conclusions, we must first have supporting facts. Briefs and arguments are important supplements, but they do not substitute for proof. The Supreme Court, remanding the case as one of first impression, surely expected a mass of evidence, pro and con; I did. The number of mills previously noted and the number of their employees, even if additional businesses were not referlred to at the remand hearing, warranted such expectation. It could be argued that a chilling effect would limit the number of witnesses available to the General Counsel. But the latter was at the hearing permitted in this respect to elicit hearsay testimony of conversations among employees at the New Holland and Hartsville mills. This was argued and explained when some of the testimony was received56 and later. In issue here is not only whether the Respondents committed acts as part of Darlington's purpose, but the question whether employees of other mills were thereby actually affected. With employees' reaction a fact which counsel sought to establish, we received testimony which would otherwise and normally be rejected as hearsay concerning employees' reactions in deeds or words, including conversations among employees or statements by them outside the presence of employer representatives. If experienced counsel were astonished by this liberal procedure, it was no less novel to me.57 But the issue submitted covers the very fact that employees talked about the Darlington shutdown as an effect under the remand. With effect and its extent noted, we could consider the further issue whether it was chilling. The 56 Some had been earlier received without objection. 5' Counsel for Deering Milliken damned this procedure with faint praise when he pointed out that it was not quite so bad to take testimony "dealing with people in a plant " as it is when the testimony is from a union organizer about conversations with employees outside the plant. 59 If such an assignment appears to be an impossible task, the prognosis can further be aggravated: Even proof of widespread fear of retaliation for organizational activity at other businesses might be of obscure etiology in view of the r iamfold possibilities hearing has served to provide a broad basis for ultimate decision concerning a chilling purpose and effect. Because of the novelty and difficulty of the task which he faced, the General Counsel was also accorded great latitude in cross- examination of witnesses. There is no evidence or statement by counsel of attempts and inability to obtain evidence of chilling concerning which witnesses out of fear refused to testify, thus barring the proof anticipated and preventing the inquiry directed. During the hearing, inquiry was made as to the number of employees in the Deering Milliken mills at the end of 1956, after Darlington's shutdown. There had earlier been reference to approximately 19,000 employees; we were now told that the number was some 14,000. This was no idle question: the Supreme Court was concerned with all of these and more, and we should have an idea of how many are conceivably involved and might be the subject of our inquiry. Although the earlier hearings were extensive, their natural limitation did not apply here, as I indicated at the hearing. Whether 19,000 or 14,000, we have an approximation and, if they had not thought in such terms before, counsel were given what may have been unnecessary notice of the realistic requirements of any inquiry. But the hearing did not cover the smallest fair sampling on the basis of which one could generalize with respect to employees at other businesses or other mills.511 On the other hand, much time was spent on the history of affairs at other mills in which the Millikens had had an interest and which had been liquidated. Aside from the variations among those mills, whether unionized at time of liquidation, previously unionized but not when liquidated, or never unionized, the findings heretofore made in this proceeding and the direct testimony now received from Roger Milliken sufficiently show his opposition to unionism: he clearly stated that he deems a union "a detrimental economic factor." Readily elicited from Milliken, this superseded and made unnecessary 5' much of the testimony which he gave when called as an adverse witness early in this hearing; it sufficiently indicates attitude and animus to the extent that these in connection with the Darlington shutdown may support evidence of a chilling purpose and effect elsewhere, which will be considered infra. That this testimony also supports the early findings concerning the reason for the closing may not now be important. What is important is that our attention was not sufficiently focused on proof (as distinguished from inference from the acts at Darlington) of actual chilling purpose and effect at Darlington with respect to other businesses. The time spent in preparation and at the hearing with respect to background or history could well have been devoted, on the question of purpose, to evidence of Milliken's knowledge of and activities bearing on union efforts at Darlington and elsewhere shown to be in esse, pending, or anticipated by him in 1956; and on the question of effect, to more substantial proof thereof, of sources and interacting factors which might lead or contribute to such fear or chill-unless a specific causal relationship were shown and others eliminated. se No more could be added by reference to a speech by Milliken in 1955. This was analyzed in detail on the record If not sufficiently related and not probative with respect to immediate violation at Darlington, it is less so insofar as other mills are concerned even if, as I pointed out, the Darlington closing alone was earlier tried. We recall that Milliken's "antiunion animus" and the fact that Darlington was closed because of this were found by the Board without dissent, as noted by the Supreme Court. DARLINGTON MFG. CO. presumably stemming directly from the Darlington closing in addition to any "effects of effects" as where intervening statements by supervisors at other mills or refusals to hire allegedly affected employees elsewhere. Insufficiency here should perhaps not be charged to the General Counsel: the task imposed upon him was Herculean. He called some 50 employees or former employees or supervisors of Darlington or other mills. Some witnesses were clearly unreliable and their credibility destroyed. In other instances we have unreliable testimony pro or con which may or may not itself offer basis for findings of credibility. Witnesses were testifying concerning details of events 4 to 9 years earlier. We recall that we do not relate the testimony now received to the issue of a single employer tried 7 years ago which presumably took some 9 months plus whatever time was spent on the issue before the Board's remand of December 1957. Neither are we trying a case against any mill corporations other than Darlington. The very absence of other respondents to whom proof might be limited and the scope of the remand provide the almost limitless area indicated for remand; and for these and perhaps other reasons we must recognize that the burden on counsel is virtually insuperable. With respect to chilling effect, the General Counsel must show effect on employees in various places. 10 employees? 100? 1,000?-and why not many more? Indeed the Respondents might then show that, whatever the effect testified to, it is relatively slight; and further that similar effect on businesses before us might flow from activities of truly stranger employers elsewhere, whether in California, Texas, Michigan, or Massachusetts. While some items might not appear to be directly relevant (e.g., alleged effect on supervisors at other mills, which in turn prompted them to affect and interfere with their employees) under the Supreme Court remand for consideration of the effect of the acts at Darlington, they may be held by the Court to bear on the issue whether a given effect stems from Darlington wholly or at all, whether it be called indirect, secondary, or remote. Among the subjects or topics included at the hearing with respect to chilling effect are remarks to supervisors at Darlington or other mills by an attorney for the Respondents and various other Deering Milliken mills, supervisors' remarks to employees at various60 Mills, employees' remarks among themselves, knowledge of employees of other mills concerning the Darlington shutdown including their readership of various publications which carried articles concerning Darlington, and futile attempts by some Darlington employees to obtain employment at another mill. To some extent the testimony received on these subjects might reflect on chilling purpose also, as did that of Roger Milliken, called as an adverse witness among the 52 witnesses called by the General Counsel to show chilling purpose and effect. The number of topics listed further indicates that we had very limited coverage of each. With chilling purpose and effect with respect to thousands of employees in issue, the bits and chards offered were insufficient in quantity and unimpressive in quality. Aside from the relative paucity of proof received, and aside from findings which could be based on the demeanor of witnesses, the bare transcript indicates patent unreliability of much of the testimony concerning alleged 80 Proof at this hearing was concentrated on and with few exceptions limited to three other mills 1099 chilling effects of the Darlington shutdown. Thus Galloway, a former employee at the Hartsville mill, testified that a supervisor, Laughlin, told him in the presence of Luther Howard and other employees at the time of the shutdown and many times thereafter, "If people in Hartsville vote a Union in Hartsville, they will probably close this one down just as they did the Darlington Mill." Laughlin was not called to deny this, but neither was it testified to by Howard, who also testified for the General Counsel. Galloway testified further that about a week after the shutdown another supervisor, Ott, told him that all of the second hands had met with Mr. Milliken's lawyer, who said that he wanted the overseers to tell the employees that Milliken "would not61 operate a mill under a Union; if they voted it in, he would close the Hartsville Mill just like he did the Darlington company." Ott was not available to testify, having died in December 1962. We can contrast the statement which Galloway attributed to him with the statement attributed to Laughlin and the latter's further alleged statement to Galloway that he "felt like" they would probably close the plant as they had Darlington. Strangely although Laughlin discussed this so many times, he never purported to report what the lawyer, Poag, had said at the meeting with these supervisors or that Laughlin, whatever he may have said to Galloway, supported his own impression (that being what he testified to and what he had included in a prior statement) by reference to Poag and what the latter had allegedly said. From all of this together with the fact that Galloway in several repetitions of Ott's remarks variously included and omitted reference to Darlington; and from Galloway's explanation that in his statement less than a week before he had not mentioned Ott because he had not been asked about him but that Ott had been brought up by counsel the night before he testified (we recall that this was 9 years after the event; he did not charge that counsel had "brought up" the reference by Ott to Poag, which Laughlin had not made), I do not rely on Galloway's testimony as indicating that Ott quoted Poag or that the latter made the statements thus attributed to him including an alleged request that the overseers pass the word to the employees. On the other hand, not to "balance" credibility findings or to anticipate the topics infra, but to indicate further the quality of some of the testimony received, the Respondents' witness Coker denied that he was a supervisor before November 1963 and that he had told employee Plott at the New Holland mill during a drive there by the Teamsters Union not to take a union handbill (Plott's version was that he should not talk to the distributor of the handbill), or that he might be fired. His recollection refreshed, Plott added that he and Coker had talked about Darlington several times and that Coker had said that Deering Milliken had "closed it down because it went union." From the time in 1959 that he was asked about "taking a section" of the platform, Coker supervised the activity of six others. Without reciting details in his account, I do not credit his testimony that all seven performed substantially the same duties and that he did not have or exercise authority over the others. Not without doubt as to either, I would credit Plott's testimony concerning the direct threat to him, but not about the reference to Darlington. s' No "probably" here. 1100 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD By similar comparison and detailed analysis of the testimony, findings can be made with respect to other statements allegedly made by supervisors in various mills, and on the basis of the transcript without considering or relying on demeanor.62 I have considered fully and carefully each instance as testified to pro and con and have weighed the attendant circumstances as in the case of the events described by Galloway, Plott, and Coker; and my findings must embrace all. But I see no need in this case to detail each of them and to point out all variances and other bases for credibility findings. Counsel have themselves, and quite understandably, cited only limited portions of such testimony, and have not covered all of the witnesses. No more than of court proceedings should a travesty be made of administrative proceedings. With relatively little presented where the possible relevant testimony is so great, encompassing many businesses, we should not spend more time and further delay ultimate decision by that "fragment by fragment" analysis which evidence sometimes merits and requires. Should detailed findings concerning each witness' testimony be deemed necessary although I deem it unlikely where the sum total is so slight, they can be made free of my own impression of inadequacy63 and without any confirmatory evaluations of witnesses' demeanor. The scope of the hearing was by ruling limited, as indicated supra, to events not later than the year 1961.64 The General Counsel argues that "the threat of Darlington" allegedly made by Poag in 1963 goes directly to the issue of effect and is "also somewhat probative of purpose back in 1956." No more than at the hearing would I now rule out a possibility. But Poag's words in 1963 do not significantly add to the effect of his similar language in 1956-61 as testified to; and with respect to purpose, expression in 1963 would be "somewhat" less probative than the several earlier instances described in detail. Counsel for Deering Milliken urges differently that we should limit t he question of motive to chilling intent at the time of the shutdown. To the extent that the motive concerning other businesses is relevant as bearing on the issue of violation, we should consider motive or purpose at that time to chill then or into the future as foreseeable within respect to effect. The promise or hope of possible benefit to which the Supreme Court refers ran into the future. In the exercise of discretion it appeared to be reasonable , practical, and fair to limit proof of the foreseeable effect of the alleged 1956 purpose to the period ending with 1961. In the exercise of discretion and in the absence of any suggestion of unusual reason or events for extending it, this 5-year limitation covers a "realistically foreseeable" period of hoped for effect. Five years appears 62 Demeanor , like beauty, may reflect the quality of the examiner 's vision and can be too convenient a crutch or weapon even though it sometimes pellucidly indicates credibility or lack of it. 63 This suggests (cf. Jackson Maintenance Corporation, 126 NLRB 115, 117) my credibility findings in general , some specific findings having lust been made and others appearing Infra 64 No corresponding limitation was placed on the General Counsel's inquiry into events prior to the Darlington shutdown Because such earlier events might bear on the purpose at Darlington it poor closings were shown to have had a chilling effect, and conceivably on foreseeable effect, inquiry was made into events at other Deering Milliken mills many years before 1956, as mentioned above and as we shall further consider to be generous when compared with the usual few months limitation observed in cases where knowledge of employees' union activities is claimed to warrant findings of employer animus and discriminatory discharge. But the question here posed of purposeful plotting with respect to other plants and their employees warrants this longer period. Certainly, as I did at the hearing, when I disclaimed exactitude in this connection, I would not deny that 4 years may be long enough or that 6 years may not be. Whenever effect might be manifest after the shutdown, our inquiry into chilling purpose concerns such purpose when Darlington was closed in 1956.65 Later events, even later chilling purpose, must be shown to be a continuation and reflection of a 1956 purpose, and as purpose it must be connected with those who exercised control over Darlington; not merely to be similar to or consistent with an alleged earlier purpose which they do not prove. As for chilling effect, it might well be expected that this would become manifest within 5 years; it would be even clearer where it could be spotlighted by another organizing campaign within that period, reference being mainly to the Teamsters efforts at New Holland and elsewhere in 1961 in connection with which a great deal of testimony was received. But even within the 5-year period, opposition to unions at other plants is not enough to show chilling effect. The General Counsel has the unenviable task of showing that such opposition was purposed at Darlington and is the effect of what occurred at Darlington. III. SOME POINTS OF SOCIOLOGICAL CONCERN For those who, aside from the legal aspect, think that we should concern ourselves with sociological considerations and the economic effect on employees, the very point with respect to remedy which I earlier made concerning the self-limiting possibilities of loss to employees when an employer goes out of business, the Supreme Court has itself made in connection with its finding of no violation under such circumstances. "The very permanence of [employees quitting their jobs en masse which] would negate any future economic benefit to the employees" (in the words of the Court) is similar to the permanence and absence of future economic benefit or encouragement to an employer who shuts down completely; personal satisfaction and "the mere possibility that other employers will follow his example are surely too remote to be considered dangers ...." No more than did the Court are we to involve ourselves in sociological problems as they may affect employees. Recognizing that an employer might not carry out an announced intention to close, the Court did not consider it of sufficient significance.66 We must accept the Court's declaration that "[t]he 65 "Foreseeable effect" is determined by the Board What "the directors of Darlington knew or had reason to know in 1956," connected in the Deering Milliken brief with foreseeable effect, bears on the issue of purpose 66 The problem which the Supreme Court notes of "possible consequence" of encouragement of an employer to decide definitely to close his plant to discourage union support and to threaten to do so, followed by the employees' vote to organize, would vanish if the encouragement were removed; if, consistently with the holding that a threat to close because of union activities is violative, it were held that the consummation of the threat by actual closing is also violative. What to do with respect to remedy would be another question which, without being inconsistent, the Court could answer as it does in the same footnote in its concern over violation the possibility is unlikely DARLINGTON MFG. CO. employer's right to go out of business is no different" from the right of employees to quit en masse. But it may be helpful and in order to point out first that, when employees thus quit, they may be replaced and the employer is not necessarily without recourse; while where an employer goes out of business, without more, it has here been declared that the employees have no recourse. Secondly, it would seem that the balancing element accorded to employers for employees' right to strike en masse is the right to replace the strikers en masse, not to discharge them in the face of the statutory provisions. Lawyers may indeed be interested in sociological problems, and the Supreme Court has confirmed the propriety of reference to such and their possibilities. But this is the forum, and mine certainly is the province, for legal not sociological decisions- even if it becomes necessary, however pure the motive, to apply a tourniquet to one's aorta. If policy may concern itself with what appears to be ultimate good, the judicial process and the Trial Examiner must follow legal methodology. We must recognize the social or sociological aspects of the Act. (Disagreement can be expressed to Congress.) But having done that, I conceive it to be my duty not to approach problems with an apparent "social purpose" or in a manner dishevelled. Mine is to weigh the facts and to interpret the law, the latter with regard to our particular statute and cases and the body of law in general . I state this, if I be in error these many years, "for reproof, for correction, for instruction." IV. Purpose and Effect The Supreme Court, directing findings on the issue of purpose and effect with respect to employees elsewhere, apparently deems both purpose and effect necessary to a finding of violation in the acts at Darlington . While one does not prove the other, the same testimony may bear on both.67 Indeed effect may suggest motive, although, in recognizing this, we must also remember that foreseeable effect does not prove purpose, of which we need independent evidence, as the Supreme Court pointed out. Similarly, purpose if shown is no more than a hope or plan for effect: it does not prove effect 66 The General Counsel has argued that purpose and effect "went together"; that although he had shown effect, that was unnecessary: his object had been "to show that the purpose was there, that it preexisted, that it was continued and shown by the actions of the people involved." In fact, the General Counsel, as he analyzes the evidence in his brief, combines purpose and effect and thereafter argues that the foreseeable effect "flows almost by necessity" from a finding of purpose. As a purpose may have an effect, so conversely may an effect reflect a purpose. But effect does not necessarily reflect purpose. Indeed, as we have just been reminded, the Supreme Court has told us that proof of foreseeable effect is not violative unless there be evidence of violative purpose. Whatever the General Counsel's statement concerning the need for independent proof of actual effect, he did at 67 The analysis of each will to some extent be similar or reciprocal , but separation , infra, may aid in clarification 88 Even if we limit attention to foreseeable effect or tendency, purpose is not the same, for it is subjective with its owner while tendency is an objective recognition on the basis of expertise, in this case by the Board , however unintentional or even naive the action being appraised In any event , testimony was offered concerning actual effect , which is clearly different from purpose ss The Board found causal connection, as in the phrase "for engaging in protected activities " 1101 the hearing offer testimony (and he refers to it in detail in his brief) of actual effect on employees of other mills, as indeed he had promised in his bill of particulars; and the hearing proceeded on that basis. The Respondents also testified the question of actual effect on such other employees, as the result of information concerning Darlington passed on to them orally or by newspapers or of events at their mills based on the Darlington shutdown. At least one New Holland employee, who had told us that his supervisor had warned that the mill "would close down overnight if they went under Union," testified thereafter without objection that, as the union literature argued, he "didn't think they would close down if they did go Union." As for the discrimination alleged, the motivation was early found to have stemmed from the union activities of Darlington's own employees. But despite that finding of unlawful motivation and discrimination, the Supreme Court held that the "act of closing a plant following69 the election of a union" is ambiguous and therefore not inherently discriminatory. Then, concerned with possible "employer leverage" elsewhere, which it would prevent, the Court directed an inquiry into intent or chilling purpose with respect to employees of other businesses. Employer leverage also reflects or may be reflected in the effect produced, as do "repercussions on what remains of the business";70 and proof of purpose is not alone sufficient to cover employer leverage and repercussions. Nor is a complete shutdown with chilling purpose and effect elsewhere to be analogized on principle with a runaway shop, a "contracting out" situation, or replacement of all employees. As the Supreme Court indicates, in such cases the same work is continued but with new personnel. Thus tenure of employment is affected at the new or continued place of employment as well as among the former employees against whom there has been discrimination. Whether by the same or another employer, new people are in each case put to work. Here, on the other hand, the new test declared is not at all one of tenure of employment (Section 8(a)(3)) among other employees, but interference (Section 8(a)(1)) with employees' protected activities elsewhere. Violation of Section 8(a)(3) is now to be found on the basis of 8(a)(1) violation elsewhere, not 8(a)(3). As for foreseeable or actual effect here, the Court several times referred to reasonably or realistically foreseeable effect. Whether because the closing reference is to "further findings on the issue of purpose and effect" (without the modifier, "foreseeable"), or because the Court did not employ the common phrase, "tendency to effect," or for whatever reason, the Board in its remand order called for "additional evidence bearing on the `purpose' and `effect' of the closing of the Darlington mill," with a later more specific reference to whether the Respondents "may reasonably have foreseen" the effect. Where the issue is interference with rights under the Act, it is well established that the test is tendency to interfere, and neither actual effect nor intent.71 We do not appreciate how well they wrought who TO The reference to what remains of the business appears to include what is later described as "another business " 7i This proposition with respect to effect has recently again been pointed out by the Board Lee Cylinder Division ofGolay & Co , Inc , 156 NLRB 1252 As for intent , the Supreme Court in the instant case declared. "A violation of Section 8(a)(1) alone therefore presupposes an art which is unlawful even absent a discriminatory motive " 1102 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD declared that tendency to interfere rather than actual interference must be determinative. But while the element of foreseeability itself may reflect on purpose, all parties in this posture of the case proceeded at the hearing, as we have seen, with proof of actual effect as relevant to the inquiry; and I received such proof despite the general rule and my own theretofore unbroken practice, with respect to foreseeability, of limiting proof of interference72 to proof of tendency. Presumably from this proof we are to find the answer to the question whether "the employer may reasonably have foreseen that [the] closing [would] likely have [ a chilling] effect." Thus, aside from mere reliance on the Court's conjunctive, as we consider evidence of chilling purpose and effect, there must be proof of each. With respect to the latter, we shall not overlook the testimony concerning actual effect. Discussing , supra, the time limitation imposed at the hearing, I intercalated the clause , "and as purpose it must be connected with those who exercised control over Darlington." We must regard the foreseeable aspect of any effect as an effect which was actually foreseeable or perhaps foreseen at Darlington. Since we are concerned with the purpose of those who had a substantial interest and stood to gain, we must consider foreseeability from the point of view of the Respondents, whose purpose is being regarded. Here is another caveat: Not only are we concerned with purpose as of or in 1956, and without inferring purpose from effect, but to whatever extent purpose might be inferred from general circumstances it must here be connected with the specific persons who exercised control over Darlington and their interests elsewhere. To show both chilling purpose and effect, the General Counsel referred to the liquidation sale of Darlington's assets piecemeal rather than as a going concern. The auction sale was passed upon in an earlier report in this case. While the General Counsel in the instant hearing asked stockholder Manning whether he knew of a certain bid for the entire plant, there is no evidence of any bids for Darlington as a going mill which would have netted more for the stockholders. We were told that the total received at the sale piecemeal was a quarter of a million dollars or approximately 15 percent more than the highest or only single bid mentioned. These facts do not evidence chilling purpose or effect with respect to employees at Darlington or elsewhere in the sale and dismantling of the plant, beyond what was earlier found to be discriminatory-aside from the fact that Roger Milliken first learned of the bid for the entire plant when it was made at the auction sale. The call at the auction sale for bids for the plant as a going operation would appear to negative a purpose to chill elsewhere by liquidation. As for the attempts by various directors, including a former mill treasurer, to obtain a buyer for the entire mill, such attempts indicate their impression of the existence of any purpose to chill by shutdown. I would not overlook the General Counsel's reliance on memoranda between Roger Milliken and treasurers of other mills (and other officials), many of such memoranda received at an earlier hearing. Opposed to unionization, as noted, Milliken encouraged mill treasurers to take such steps as a public relations program among employees. The "primer" thus circulated to mill treasurers reflects Milliken 's opposition to unionization . But no greater inference can be dawn from that specific piece of evidence long ago received than from the general and broader fact of his admitted opposition. It does not appear from the Supreme Court's opinion that any chilling action must itself exceed the bounds of lawful activity or be so intended. But whatever the conclusion concerning acts of supervisors73 at other mills, it does not appear that these stemmed from the memoranda in question ; and it was testified that such memoranda were not brought to the attention of the rank- and-file employees. At Hartsville the supervisors were summoned and told "to be good citizens and go to church to keep up the mill's community image"-hardly a chilling effect of any memoranda or of any action taken, or leading to such effect; or reflective of a chilling purpose. What the General Counsel emphasizes as "the object lesson of Darlington" speaks to mill treasurers of the need for better public relations; it was not intended for mill employees, and neither intended nor used to limit their activities. Instead of a chilling purpose here it would be easier to assume, were we to speculate , that years before any issue arose with respect to employees at other mills, had Milliken purposed to affect such employees, he would at least have suggested that such a memorandum be called to their attention . Insofar as the memoranda indicate Milliken 's opposition to unionization , they are cumulative. Furthermore and again , Roger Milliken 's general attitude does not prove chilling intent and purpose elsewhere when Darlington was shut down-or this hearing was itself unnecessary and excessive. As I have indicated , testimony concerning purpose or effect may, but does not necessarily bear on the other of these. But because such testimony in a given situation may bear on both, we have briefly considered purpose and effect jointly, as we shall again now, making reference to either as indicated. But even where there be basis for inferring one from the other, we must avoid the bootstrap operation of drawing mutual inferences where proof does not exist. We shall be reminded that the purpose which concerns us is the purpose of those who controlled Darlington and, in the words of the Supreme Court, at the time when they "act[ed] to close their plant"; and to the extent that we consider foreseeable effect, it is effect deemed foreseeable at that time in 1956. It is in that light that we must consider references to Darlington's closing made by supervisors of other mills to their employees (and any refusal to hire Darlington employees at other mills ). Those remarks are material here to the question of chilling purpose if at the time of the decision to close Darlington, it was there intended that supervisors at the other mills would make such remarks, violative or not; they are material to the question of chilling effect if it could reasonably be foreseen, not that other employees would tend to be directly affected by the Darlington closing, but that there would be a tendency on the part of supervisors at other mills to speak to their employees concerning Darlington and that the tendency of such remarks would be to chill the employees. We must thus infer tendency of a tendency, applying to inferences the law's historical and valid extension of 72 As a reminder , since this is involved , the issue of ]J As distinguished from the purpose or effect of the discrimination here depends on interference with employees memoranda when they were issued, the activities of supervisors elsewhere at various other mills will be considered infra DARLINGTON MFG. CO. 1103 proximate effect; unless we consider proximate actual effect. Our concern with purpose similarly becomes one of second degree. But both purpose and effect will be regarded and weighed herein between Darlington on one hand and employees elsewhere on the other as if there were no intervening elements or persons. Having referred to "the time of the shutdown," I would emphasize that we must concentrate on that time with respect to both purpose and foreseeability even though the inquiry has been extended to employees of other plants. To the extent that so much of the testimony received at this hearing does not prove purpose and does not warrant an inference of foreseeable effect, with respect to employees elsewhere, at the time of the action to close Darlington, it is not even material to this inquiry. It was received on the assurance that it would bear on the actual issues; an assurance on which the Board presumably relied in issuing its remand order on the basis of the bill of particulars which listed so many later events. Had the Board been able to draw inferences as to purpose and foreseeability of effects in the future from the evidence earlier received concerning what occurred in 1956 and before, that could be done without this hearing. This is not to say that a hearing should not have been directed. But new evidence which might conceivably have been offered was not. V. CHILLING PURPOSE While we recognize the need for proof of chilling purpose directed elsewhere, it appears that every action taken to shut down Darlington would have been taken properly and of necessity were there no purpose to chill employees elsewhere.74 Unless it be shown that more was purposed at Darlington by those who exercised control over it than was customary and reasonably necessary to liquidate the plant, a finding now of chilling purpose elsewhere would be a per se finding: there would be no need for additional proof concerning purpose with respect to employees elsewhere. Purpose can be proved directly by the testimony of the very persons whose motive is in issue. Thus the General Counsel called Roger Milliken to testify on this point. (Milliken and the other directors of Darlington were thereafter called by the Respondents.) But motive may not be inferred from the foreseeability of various effects since, as has been pointed out to us, action which has a foreseeable consequence is not violative in the absence of a showing of motivation. But if motive is not to be inferred from foreseeable effect, actual effect a fortiori does not prove motive. We recall that Roger Milliken openly stated that he would not continue Darlington in operation so long as a hard core of 17 percent of its employees were prounion; and that he told us that he deems a union "a detrimental economic factor." It may be urged that the very frankness of his declaration of attitude, upon which I and then the Board based findings of violation, suggests75 that he would have been equally frank had he acted out of concern for other 'mills and with the purpose to affect employees at other mills or businesses. Admittedly, Milliken made no statement or reference to other mills or employees to be affected in connection with the Darlington shutdown.76 He had denied that he had any such intent, whether or not in connection with union campaigns, which were neither in being or shown to be in the offing. To find intent, contrary to his testimony, we must find facts from which we can reasonably draw inferences contrary to his denial. Even if one did not believe that he would frankly (perhaps intentionally to achieve an effect, if that were his intention, which was not declared a possible issue until 8 years later) have mentioned his concern for the other mills, or credit his denial with respect to their employees, we do not have evidence to warrant a finding of the intent which the General Counsel has here set out to prove. Quoting a statement of intent from the dissent in the court of appeals, and citing two cases with different facts and even a footnote (all of that antedating this hearing) from the Supreme Court's opinion in the instant case which of course makes no such finding with respect to the "entire industrial complex" here, the General Counsel argues that Roger Milliken's financial interest in the various mills plainly influenced his actions at Darlington: the Respondents and "affiliated corporations" (the "Employer" as defined by the General Counsel) intended to restrain employees and to achieve future benefits at all of the other mills. But if such an argument be valid and we indulge in that presumption, we would be doing what the Supreme Court or the Board could have done on the then available record but did not do. For the Court did not find violative motive although it declared that intent with respect to the employees elsewhere is a ground for finding violation even if single employer status does not exist; and the Board on remand did not rely on any such presumption of motive either in whole or in part. In its order of October 25, 1965, the Board declared that "the record as previously made is not entirely devoid of evidence bearing on" purpose and effect. If a quantity and quality of evidence of a "not entirely devoid" modicum will suffice, and the evidence at prior hearings, be deemed to bear on the issues; and if we superimpose on that a need to show motivation "at least in part," then was the lengthy promise of the bill of particulars unnecessary, and our hearing also. Were the problems to be solved by less than significant proof, considering the wide potential here, the solution and finding would lie in that declaration made before this hearing. Presumably then we are to make findings and conclusions with respect to substantial evidence of true and more than incidental purpose and effect. The Board has not remanded this case for me to find contrary to its declaration, and I shall not presume to review it: my own findings and conclusions will reflect the existence of significant or substantial evidence on the record as "supplemented" and as a whole. My own disinclination to subscribe to a legal mathematics in which an inference of "Publicity and Attorney Poag's activity are considered infra. 75 The possibility of this was greater at the original hearing, when he attempted to justify the decision to close, which was then in issue, and when there was no suggestion of responsibility or purpose concerning other businesses, which is not in issue It is far from inconceivable that Milliken or Poag, in contact with the Union, would have indicated a purpose to hinder the Union's efforts at other mills also Yet of the various statements charged to Milliken in connection with and at the time of the Darlington shutdown, such as his reference to a 17 percent hard core and "resis tance to our program at Darlington ," not a single one mentioned other mills 76 We shall again consider infra a 1956 magazine article and a speech concerning mills previously closed and Milliken's attitude toward unions 1104 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD general purpose (becoming a form of per se claim) or of multiplication of witnesses outweighs and is preferred to much preparation and necessary witnesses, may not be determinative. But where the Board made no finding although it discerned evidence, neither will I find chilling purpose or effect unless sufficient additional evidence is submitted. The further hearing for factual proof would have been unnecessary were the presumption or inference now sought warranted. If Milliken would not abide unionized mills and shut down several such (now overlooking those which were not organized but were nevertheless closed), what then? Discrimination might in each instance or some of them have been indicated-or not, because the shutdown was complete.77 But if antiunion attitude existed in each case, would it follow there-or here-that the purpose was to chill unionism at other businesses? (We shall soon see that the earlier findings herein did not cover prior shutdowns.) Roger Milliken's attitude toward unions shown and found earlier and again, it may be that, in earlier closing other mills which were organized, his purpose was wholly or in part to chill unionism elsewhere, Darlington included.78 But aside from the fact that both organized and unorganized mills had been closed, the testimony concerning prior closings provided, if as much, no more than did Roger Milliken's statement that he opposed unionization because it entailed greater costs. The motivation at Darlington was early in this case held to be discriminatory and coercive at Darlington. But as at the prior mill closings, an intent to chill unionism elsewhere is something else; and it should be unnecessary to point out that it is this latter which we must consider. The prior closings are not themselves in issue here. It can be and is argued that in closing mills earlier, both unionized and nonunionized, and in closing Darlington, the purpose was to chill organization elsewhere. But proof is still necessary, and the fact of multiple closings does not prove as fact a chilling purpose with respect to remaining businesses. Were we to speculate or draw inferences from the shutdown at Darlington by comparison with earlier mill closings, it could be noted that a majority of the Darlington employees, if fearful and affected, did vote for the Union, as Oeland pointed out on cross-examination; they disavowed it only after steps were taken to close the mill. (This is not to say that they might not otherwise have voted for the Union by a larger margin.) As we consider purpose or motive, this apparent absence or insufficiency of effect would not be overlooked by management, which could be expected to be more forceful in any action taken for the purpose of discouraging employees elsewhere if that were its motive. Even if the effect of prior mill closings had been to discourage Darlington employees' organizational activities, we would still be required to prove motive. If vv We cannot ignore the possibility of valid and nondiscriminatory reasons in those instances No more than events after 1956 were earlier ones alleged or tried as violations 78 Thus it can be pointed out again that to the extent that we are asked to draw an inference with respect to chilling purpose elsewhere this could as readily be drawn, or not, on the basis of the testimony received before this latest hearing Although the Union won the election, events at Darlington may have been the chilling effect of prior closings i 71 It could still be argued that such latter closings had a chilling shutdown after an antiunion vote at Darlington could not itself prove earlier motive, certainly the latter was not proved by prior closings elsewhere. Bearing in mind that other mills under similar control have been closed, some unionized, others not, there is no suggestion that the unorganized mills were closed to chill unionism elsewhere;79 and nothing to indicate that the purpose or reasons for closing organized mills were different. It is quite as consistent with the evidence received to find that the antiunion motive at Darlington and its closing were directed only against its employees who had by majority vote called for the Union, and of whom a 17 percent prounion hard core remained; as that the closing was intended to and did chill employee activities at other mills. Finally in this connection, if all of this testimony does not prove purpose to chill employees elsewhere at the time of the several earlier closings, it is not clear how that testimony proves purpose at the time of the Darlington closing regardless of how many times it may be brought up in these proceedings. It may not be amiss to note, as declared in my first report, that "Counsel for the Union ... charged Milliken with lack of regard for employees' welfare and undue concern with return on investment." Whatever the competing emphases with respect to Milliken's purpose, they were not directed and the issue was not raised toward motive or concern with employees at other plants. The quoted statement supports the Respondents' position here and appears to answer the Supreme Court's inquiry. To the extent that a direct report to supervisors or others, or the absence of a report, concerning Roger Milliken' s position may reflect on testimony that his attitude toward the Union was declared by others as a warning or threat to employees at other mills, the General Counsel probed at length into supervisors' knowledge of Milliken's attitude toward unions. We have noted memoranda to mill officials. But the relationship between Milliken on one hand and rank-and-file employees, supervisors, and even top plant officials on the other indicates that these latter had no personal or direct knowledge of that attitude or the memoranda. One can believe that, whether it be the reflection of reticence or aloofness, Milliken did not commune even with his fellow directors,Bยฐ as reflected in their testimony concerning their limited discussions prior to the meetings at Darlington at which it was decided to liquidate. Further, we have Milliken's testimony on cross-examination that he asked the people with whom he came in contact in the Deering Milliken mills "not to discuss the Darlington situation at all." Thus as we come to analyze the testimony, we must consider as a necessary element the extent to which anyone who might be found to have interfered or offended, were that in issue, could indicate motive attributable to effect, etc., so that closings become per se violative-and in some eyes they are Our concern remains with their lawfulness. Again, we must not substitute preconception for proof that Darlington, organized, was shut down with a chilling purpose and effect with respect to employees at other mills or businesses. so While steps were being taken to liquidate, two of the local directors went to New York City to seek a purchaser for the entire plant and to talk with Roger Milliken, without first attempting to obtain assurance that he would be available They did not know that he was out of the country at the time DARLINGTON MFG. CO. persons exercising control over Darlington. It may be noted that the Section 8(a)(1) interference earlier"' found against Darlington and not now challenged did not rest on reference to the prior closings; and the violative findings on the principle of respondeat superior reflected no actually demonstrated purpose on the part of Roger Milliken or any persons exercising control with whom we are concerned. Were violations at other plants directly in issue, the principle of respondeat superior would apply, and the respective other plants would be liable for their supervisors' acts. It is something else to hold "the persons exercising control" over Darlington (where their intent or purpose is in issue), and through them Darlington and Deering Milliken, liable in the second degree insofar as purpose is concerned for the acts of supervisors at other plants or businesses and in the absence of evidence of authorization, prompting, or other connection, and aside from the time of purpose, supra. An exception, because of his close relationship with Roger Milliken and the various mills, is Poag, attorney for Darlington and other mills, whose acts are attributable to and who could be held to show purpose with respect to such other mills.82 Nor was the General Counsel's case strengthened by his questioning of Hatch, a director of Darlington for almost 50 years and a member of the Milliken family group. Hatch testified on cross-examination that his reasons for voting to liquidate were "more fundamental than the labor situation ." It is clear that his experience and competence lie in the financial field. While as agreed and noted supra we are not here reviewing the reason for Darlington's shutdown, Hatch's testimony lends no support to any claim of chilling purpose and effect with respect to employees of other mills. Of the testimony of the other Darlington directors, on the stand or by deposition'83 it may be said as was found after the first hearing that their concern over the effect of unionization of Darlington triggered the shutdown. If one may no longer say that this was violative (and even were it held to be violative), none of this testimony indicates or remotely suggests a chilling purpose on the part of the directors or any of them in the light of their interest in other mills or businesses. Whatever foreseeable effect on employees of such other businesses may be inferred or otherwise found, there is no evidence that this was intended or considered by Darlington directors, a group which included all who exercised control over Darlington. Repeated questions of the directors served only to emphasize that action had been based on the expectation heretofore found discriminatory that the Union would have an increasingly larger voice in management of Darlington: even if weak, it would insist on some economic concession.84 However anticipatory an assumption and 81 We shall consider infra, testimony now submitted concerning additional interference at Darlington Although it was explicitly agreed at this hearing that , in fairness to the other side, testimony at prior hearings would be relied on in connection with the present issues only to the extent that it was cited before this hearing closed , items not thus cited have now by brief been noted by both sides with transcript references , not as prior findings. 12 What Poag said will be considered tnfra 93 Directed in detail on cross - examination to the motive of other directors, the testimony of those directors who had no substantial interest in other mills could be enlightening with respect to those who did have such interest 84 It could be argued that the union majority was too slim to 1105 "built in" a reason for counteracting a union victory, this was still apparently limited to Darlington. If any of the directors were called unfeeling or unconcerned beyond the economic aspects of the Darlington operation, this would not show a chilling purpose with respect to employees elsewhere. No reason has been indicated for questioning the testimony of various minority stockholders of Darlington, whose financial interest was in the main limited to that corporation, that they had no purpose to chill unionism at other Deering Milliken mills, that their concern was with Darlington, its employees, and the effect on the town, and that they did not expect the amount of publicity subsequently received. If this casts any reflection on those in control of Darlington, it is negative as to chilling purpose. A different situation or possibility exists as to members of the Milliken family who had substantial interests elsewhere. But (here again) the facts and findings of stock ownership and control85 were before the Supreme Court, and were decision to be based on such facts or on an inference therefrom, the Court (or the Board) could itself have made the decision regardless of any determination of the issue of single employer. The statements of purpose are negative, and whoever would regard them with skepticism cannot rely on them as proving the contrary. The testimony now received from the Darlington directors and stockholders supports the original finding that Darlington would not have been liquidated in 1956 but for the Union and its election victory. As for any motive in publicity at or after the shutdown, we shall consider infra whether this was purposed or foreseeable on the basis of precedent or whether it was sponsored, prompted, or encouraged by the Respondents. So far from the testimony before us indicating that the purpose was to chill unionism elsewhere, a contrary possibility exists and argument could be made that, had that been the purpose, those who controlled Darlington and had both interest and purpose in other mills might have attempted to accomplish that purpose by deciding to continue in operation in view of the disavowal petition. In such speculation, that the petition would not have overcome the election result is beside the point here; it does not appear to have led to consideration of the possibility that disavowal followed by a speedy reversal of the decision to liquidate might be very effective in chilling unionism at other mills. Here as elsewhere we are speculating: may have been, may not have been. There is no proof or preponderance in favor of a claim of purpose to chill elsewhere. With respect to chilling purpose, the General Counsel summarized: "Looking clearly to these realities [of the testimony as he noted it], there is only one reason to close enable it to insist or to make substantial demands on Darlington. One can speculate to that effect ; or on the contrary , that the slim margin might itself lead the Union to be more assertive by way of proving itself and in order to gain additional employee support. There is testimony of union promises of substantial improvements in wages and changes in control. ("Economic circumstances" or reasons for shutdown were noted in my first report, and the finding made that to equate the Union 's election victory with prevention of operation would create a built -in nullification of statutory rights. The present issue is whether there was a purpose directed toward employees elsewhere.) e' These were limited to Deering Milliken mills The testimony here has been no more extensive 1106 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD this plant at this time, and that is to make an example of it to every other mill." Were Ito ignore the testimony to the contrary, I could hold that this may indeed have been the "only one reason," or merely one of the reasons for the shutdown. But having found that the Darlington liquidation was motivated by opposition to the Union there, I cannot ignore the equally likely possibility that the Union's election victory and Darlington's desire to cancel it at Darlington (as the Respondents maintain and as they have now been told that they lawfully can), as that desire was emphasized, admitted, and found-that these alone or in combination with the economic circumstances prompted the shutdown, and not a purpose to chill unionism elsewhere. The evidence before us does not prove the latter purpose. It is no easy task to prove purpose; and chilling purpose may have existed. But it has not been shown. VI. CHILLING EFFECT With a finding that chilling purpose has not been shown although necessary, one can anticipate a declaration by the Board, or on further review, that it is deemed unnecessary to consider findings or review the testimony concerning chilling effect. But the time and effort spent in the latter connection in both preparation and at the hearing warrant analysis of the problems raised and the more weighty portions of such testimony, in this and subsequent sections. The effect of hurling the stone of what would elsewhere be called violative acts into the sea of labor relations may extend in every direction and almost without limit. Whatever effect we discover, it is our task to determine whether any of it stemmed from the Darlington closing, having been so intended. With widespread effect shown, the problem of ascribing any recognizable or substantial portion to the Darlington shutdown would be difficult. But the difficulty has been magnified because our inquiry has been limited: not only has there been no attempt at proof with respect to businesses not "engaged in the same line of activity as the closed plant" although Roger Milliken and others exercising control over Darlington have substantial interests in such businesses8a but, questions of credibility aside, the testimony has been limited to a relatively few instances at a few of the Deering Milliken mills. As already explained, but for the terms of this remand, "I should have felt pretty clear about"87 any concern with actual effect rather than tendency to interfere. But we now have an antinomy which I shall not attempt to explain or to resolve, pointing out only that, were tendency of the acts at Darlington determinative, we have little more than we had before the remand; and again that all parties proceeded with evidence concerning actual effect. As we now consider effect alone, it may help to add to what has 86 In view of the problem in identifying cause, it could reasonably be argued that nonunionization of some other businesses no more proves chilling effect of the Darlington shutdown than persistence in organizational activities or unionization of some, as testified to by Minot Milliken on cross- examination , proves absence of such effect. 87 Mr. Justice Holmes, dissenting in Adair Y. United States, 208 U S.161,190 88 In closing argument the General Counsel denied the need to "show chilling effect in each and every circumstance ," declaring, "If others do believe this is necessary , we have to some degree shown that ." This although, to persuade the Board to grant already been said, supra, concerning tendency and foreseeability. "Foreseeable effect" is an ambiguous phrase. It may mean actual effect which was foreseeable; or, equivalent to tendency of reasonable expectation, it may mean foreseeable as an effect, the emphasis being on foreseeability rather than on effect. Without again attempting to explain any impression of the Court's or the Board's intent, the Board in its remand relied on the General Counsel's bill of particulars, which included instances of actual effect; and as we have seen, all counsel" proceeded with testimony concerning actual effect. This alone was the basis for receipt of testimony concerning conversations between supervisors and employees at other plants (and among employees alone). Were we limited to the tendency of Darlington's acts to interfere, we would not consider their actual effect elsewhere (or at Darlington).e9 Furthermore, were the Court's concern with tendency rather than with actual effect, it would be the tendency of the acts committed at Darlington, which alone were in issue under the pleadings; and as to such acts, the Court or the Board would normally declare and find a tendency to interfere (or no such tendency) with Darlington's employees; or even, going to other plants, a tendency in Darlington's acts to interfere with employees at the other plants. In all of this the issue would be whether we could find at Darlington or even elsewhere a tendency in Darlington's acts, not an effect or tendency of acts by supervisors or employees elsewhere. But such limitation does not apply, nor has it been applied, under this remand and the testimony offered under the bill of particulars. Putting aside any question of common scheme and consequent liability to remedy violations at other plants, and bearing in mind that, on the mass of evidence before it, the Board drew no inferences and made no findings concerning effect elsewhere of what occurred at Darlington, this hearing produced few additional facts bearing on Darlington itself except with respect to publicity given to the closing and to the extent that such publicity could be connected with or deemed foreseeable by Darlington or those exercising control over it. Without suggesting that such inferences should or could reasonably have been drawn, I point out, as supra with respect to chilling purpose, that we have not been limited to publicity which would naturally as a chilling effect follow the Darlington shutdown, or to the tendency to affect employees of other businesses or to lead supervisors elsewhere to interfere, etc. We were directed to and took proof, as counsel proceeded with testimony of actual publicity, whatever its source and foreseeability, and its effect on employees of other mills, such employees' knowledge of the Darlington shutdown and the effect on them, and acts and effect of interference and discrimination by supervisors or others at those mills. further hearing , he had at great length cited actual effect in his bill of particulars. Facts cited to and relied upon by the Board as probative and necessary should not be claimed before me to be unnecessary. In any event , testimony concerning actual effect has been received and cannot be ignored even if we might otherwise be inclined to rely on tendency , inference , and expertise. 89 The statements by supervisors would in the usual case be considered for their tendency to interfere where so alleged. But within this remand , such statements can themselves be weighed only as the actual effect of acts connected with the Darlington shutdown, as the General Counsel urges , unless again we infer tendency of a tendency. DARLINGTON MFG. CO. Aside from any question of admissibility of conversations among employees, referred to on the record, it can now be asked to the extent that we are concerned with actual effect on employees and since the testimony was offered to show that, what indication of effect of the Darlington closing is there when employees say that they believe their mill will close if it goes union? Would these employees otherwise have supported a union, and would they now reject it because of what occurred at Darlington? (Because this last can so readily be taken out of context, I repeat that we are now considering actual effect.) As we shall further inquire, if they have been chilled, has it been by Darlington, by other90 closings before or since, by union announcements or reminders, by antiunion attitudes throughout the area, etc. 791 Beyond this, if it be a violation to chill, how extensive must that chilling be? One could speak of chilling effect if only one of thousands of employees were shown to have been affected; but the Court would readily have thus defined the inquiry had it intended that, and the search and testimony would have been similarly limited, as suggested supra. Then, as the problem has earlier been posed, how many employees, or what percentage of the approximately 14,000 employed in the various Deering Milliken mills besides the unstated number employed in businesses in which the defined interest is held? If chilling purpose were shown, there is no suggestion that the claim of effect extends to less than all employees in the other businesses. (Presumably, it would be "inferred" as to all.) Is the effect, if found, with respect to some unstated number or percentage, or must its extent reflect some undefined substantiality? Were we now told that tendency is still the test, we should first discard (if we can) the testimony pro and con with respect to actual effect. With that done, value judgments would be made or conclusions drawn from the acts committed at Darlington which have been in issue. But then time has been wasted in preparation and in hearing inasmuch as, except for the relatively few additional items now presented, the tendency of such acts to chill and interfere could as well have been found before this last hearing. But further, we would face the more serious objection that the testimony once received concerning actual effect overcomes or bars any possible contrary inference which might be drawn. The right to draw reasonable inferences, especially on the basis of expertise, is not to be gainsaid. But where facts are adduced and they indicate a finding to be made, there is no room for a contrary inference which might otherwise have appeared valid. If expertise warranted an inference of foreseeable effect on the thousands of Deering Milliken and other employees, the showing that the effect actually was inconsequential is overriding. The testimony as a whole leads to this conclusion, and necessary analysis can only argue for it. The valid 90 We were told that over a period of years textile mill closings averaged 50 per year, with a reduction of some 300,000 jobs How many of these mills were unionized and how their closing affected other employees, we do not know. 9i Extended to include employees of other businesses bearing the defined relationship , this proceeding is no substitute for an inquiry covering the textile industry in the South and assessing total liability for any conditions in the area 92 This has been noted supra, as bearing on motive when Darlington was closed. We can no more say that there was no effect at all than we can say whether and to what extent 1107 elements of implication and expert surmise which are relied upon in finding reasonable tendency cannot blind us to the facts received concerning actual effect once these have been called for and received. As we further search and speculate on the effect of knowledge of the Darlington closing on employees of other mills, we must consider, as Oeland pointed out, and although this was not "union country," that prior closings of Deering Milliken mills which were unionized had not "scared" Darlington's employees from voting for a union. 92 While the effects of chilling purpose may not be contemporaneous, we recall that the acts whose purpose and effect concern us occurred at the time of the Darlington shutdown. But with little exception, we now have no more evidence concerning such acts than we had at the end of the first hearing. 93 Of the acts at Darlington conceivably attributable to it or to Deering Milliken, the only new evidence94 before us is in either of two categories. The first is that concerning the extent to which those acts (not others) prompted the publicity concerning the shutdown; and this is indeed meager, as we shall see, whether our concern be actual effect or tendency. The second category is the testimony concerning remarks at Darlington and other mills by Poag, attorney for the various corporations. Considered infra among threats and other interference elsewhere, Poag's remarks at other mills will be distinguished from those of supervisors at other mills. It may be of interest to note parenthetically that, if employees of other mills were in this proceeding found to be chilled, the uses of adversity would be marvelous indeed. There would be neither a finding of violation nor a remedy as to those employees. But the chilling effect on them would determine violation against Darlington's employees and would presumably warrant a remedy in behalf of the latter. This reflection will not be better received with the realization that such problems should have been considered many years ago at or before the commencement of this litigation so that the entire concept and offense could have been properly tried. A recent and very different case may help to portray the strangeness of the situation before us. In Acme Markets,95 besides locking out employees in a multieinployer bargaining unit, as it admittedly could, the respondent had locked out nonunit employees. The discrimination there alleged was against employees who were before the Board, and their employer was the respondent in the case. Citing American Ship Building96 and holding that the employer's purpose had not been "to injure a labor organization or to evade its duty to bargain collectively," the Board ruled against the contention that the employer had "discriminated in the terms and conditions of employment of these nonunit employees in order to discourage unit employees from engaging in collective bargaining.... employees may have been affected by any of many possible causes 93 Later events at other mills , which affected employees, are considered infra although alleged to be themselves only the effect of the acts at Darlington which concern us. 9' We shall refer infra to seven instances of interference alleged, three of them in the presence of employees 9s Acme Markets, Inc., 156 NLRB 1452 90 Local 374, Boilermakers [American Ship Building Company] v N.L R B., 380 U S. 300,308. 1108 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD While the issues in Acme were quite different, remedy there could have been imposed in favor of the other or nonunit employees, who were before the Board; and a purpose to injure the union and to evade the duty to bargain by affecting and discouraging unit employees, as alleged, could have been found. In the instant case, Darlington's employees could not be affected (except by recent declaration of law) by what was done or intended elsewhere, and the remand does not suggest that they were or could be. The remoteness here is underscored by the absence, as we have seen, of any possibility of a finding of loss and remedy in connection with any testimony offered under this remand. Yet a purpose and effect would vouchsafe a remedy for them. The employer's purpose in Acme was with respect to employees before the Board; the purpose sought on the instant remand is that with respect to other employees concerning whom there is no allegation of interference, discrimination, or refusal to bargain. Insofar as "specific evidence of intent" is concerned, as considered in American Ship Building, that and discrimination have herein been found. But with its distinction between partial and complete shutdown as violative, the Supreme Court has now introduced the question of intent vis-a-vis employees elsewhere. We have previously referred to the effect of prior closings as conceivably suggesting a purpose to those who controlled the Darlington closing; but also that Darlington employees nevertheless voted for the Union although the earlier closings may have had some unmeasured effect. We now set out to measure or note the effect of the Darlington closing on employees of other mills. There may be in any business a natural and even foreseeable effect from "stranger" closings anywhere, not at all related. Indeed, earlier events in the history of labor- management relations may have a chilling effect, the extent varying with passage of time and nature of the case, among other factors. But even if we cannot ignore it, we do not at this hearing consider the possible chilling effect, violation, and remedy with respect to employees of businesses in which the now defined interest does exist, resulting apart from acts at Darlington from their supervisors' statements or knowledge otherwise obtained by the employees (as via newspapers) of discharges and shutdowns at stranger businesses . While there is no suggestion that such stranger mills are now to be held liable even if responsible for chilling employees at Deering Milliken mills or businesses related through those in control, can we measure or assess the respective responsibilities for chilling those employees? Or, again, are we to "infer" effect from any business with respect to which the issue has been extended? For example , quite near at hand and relevant in this context is the longstanding opposition to unionization by another textile manufacturing corporation cited by Hogan, a former shift supervisor at Pacolet, of whom more infra. Asked by the General Counsel to explain how he "knew they didn't want [a] union" when the Teamsters attempted to organize other mills in 1961, Hogan testified, "Well, everywhere they go they fight them." While he declared that he could not " at random" identify the 91 If an element of judicial knowledge enters here , the parties may within 10 days move to reopen on this point. 98 That publicity is not before us companies to which he referred, he did name J. P. Stevens, very well known in the industry and among the residents of the cotton textile manufacturing area.97 Before the recent publicity concerning unfair labor proceedings involving the latter company, its opposition to unionization as well as opposition by the industry generally, including Deering Milliken mills, was widely publicized by the Charging Union, as by notice of organization campaigns, etc.98 If the Union has sought in this manner to obtain employee support and to encourage union activity, we cannot charge to the Respondents the resultant employee knowledge and fear of company opposition to union activities. It becomes increasingly difficult to determine how much if any such fear resulted from the Darlington closing, and how much from the widespread opposition thus advertised. (We shall return, infra, to the issue of publicity.) In short, if we are concerned with chilling effect on employees of Deering Milliken mills to the extent that such effect was intended by those who controlled Darlington, can we ignore the question of the extent to which those employees were chilled by other events including unfair labor practices anywhere even if the latter were not intended to chill here? Can we measure the effect of such violations, or can we attribute any observable effect here to those who controlled Darlington rather than to stranger businesses and their acts?99 While we shall say more with respect to publicity given to the Darlington closing and with respect to the testimony concerning the effect on specific employees of acts connected with Darlington, Hogan's testimony, with the suggestion that he withheld more, bears on the problem of multiple cause for any chilling of employees. Hogan gave a statement to the General Counsel, then refused to talk to him again and was hostile when called as a witness. It does not appear that the Darlington closing had chilled Hogan (certainly not when he first spoke with the General Counsel not long before this hearing), who had quit at Pacolet, "had an ax to grind," and had thus given a statement to the General Counsel, which he now repudiated. It does appear that he was thereafter chilled by fear that his wife and other relatives employed by Pacolet would lose their jobs because he had given that statement. Whether or not Hogan's fear was reasonable, such fear of reprisal by the immediate employer (Pacolet in this case) may not be unusual ; but to whom is it chargeable? Also possible and a factor to be considered is insecurity which stems from the closing of any other mill: in this case another Pacolet mill, #3, which was not unionized and was closed after Darlington; or the Darlington closing; or indeed from knowledge or an impression of opposition to unionization throughout the industry in the South. To say that fear was caused or heightened by the Darlington shutdown is to assume the effect which needs to be shown. Hogan testified that after Pacolet #3 was closed, he heard his neighbors say that Milliken "would not operate a plant under a union ." However well or ill founded their impression , which does not appear to have been connected with the closing of their own nonunionized mill, were Hogan's neighbors chilled when they worked at Pacolet and because Darlington had been closed? Or were they 99 We do not have any such problems of isolating, before we measure or infer, where the issue is a respondent 's liability for his own or his agents ' acts (without any question of secondary effect) and the tendency of such acts to interfere DARLINGTON MFG. CO. chilled because Pacolet was closed? Or were they chilled? The same questions remain unanswered: Were employees at various mills chilled and, if so, by activities at their or other plants in the region, or elsewhere? Whatever conditions existed at Deering Milliken mills, at other mills, or at other businesses related by controlling interests, are these ascribable to the Respondents? We cannot say that any fear which existed stemmed from or was an effect of the Darlington closing.' As with purpose, so with effect: One can easily enough "understand" or "imagine" certain purposes and effects. These are other words for "infer." But here also, even if an inference and the basis for drawing it appeared valid, the Board did not deem an inference warranted when it remanded for proof. That proof has not been provided. Finally, as we consider chilling effect generally, while the Supreme Court has referred to the possible consequence that an employer may be encouraged to shut down, another interesting consideration is the chilling effect on employees elsewhere and everywhere which is created by a decision, as here, that a shutdown may not be violative. No more foreseeable by Darlington, Deering Milliken, or Roger Milliken at the time of the acts in issue than by counsel or the Trial Examiner at the first hearing or by the Board itself some years later was the Supreme Court's decision which, with the further delay entailed and the surrounding publicity, could itself effectively chill organizational activities at other businesses. Despite such possibly very effective chilling because of the duration of the proceedings, the Respondents would not be held responsible therefor. On the other hand, with respect to finding violation based on a shutdown because of "protected" concerted activities, it remains the declared policy of the Act to encourage collective bargaining and to protect "the exercise by workers of full freedom of association, self-organization, and designation of representatives of their own choosing." What has been said generally to this point concerning the significance of chilling purpose and effect and the absence of proof could dispose of this inquiry. But the issues being of first impression , and with the possibility of different appraisals, I shall continue with analysis of testimony received. VII. PUBLICITY To show chilling effect and the Respondents' responsibility therefor, more than 200 newspaper articles referring to the Darlington closing were received in evidence together with circulation figures for the respective newspapers. The General Counsel did not rest on this evidence with the claim that it should be inferred that employees at other mills read the articles and that, in the language of the Supreme Court, they were thereby made to "fear that [their mill would] also be closed down if they persist[ed]2 in organizational activities." As in ' The facts, the possibilities, and the inferences to be drawn are as referable to rank-and-file employees as to Hogan. We cannot assume that others were not available as witnesses for the General Counsel because they had been chilled, specifically by the Darlington closing That too would be an assumption of the very answer to our inquiry. 8 "Persist" implies a sometime existing activity, with limited exception, this has not been shown Without intention to slight the language of the Court, my findings are not restricted to a requirement that a previously begun or intended activity be 1109 other respects, he undertook to establish actual readership and effect. Aside from the question of responsibility for such articles and for their effect, the proof of readership and of effect is so slight as to indicate that the inferences sought would be unwarranted and erroneous. The Respondents also relied on many articles, some already designated by the General Counsel, and various circulation figures. I have considered all of the clippings submitted by both sides, and particularly those or those portions which have been cited to me as material to the issues. It was also noted that between September 1, 1956, and April 1, 1957, newspapers in several Deering Milliken mill areas made no reference to the Darlington closing. I do not suggest that failure to cite specific articles in briefs or argument indicates abandonment.3 But in this connection I see neither need nor requirement to go beyond the details cited by counsel themselves; nor indeed, considering the circumstances noted concerning such publicity, to include here some details cited by the Respondents. If counsel rely on general and all-embracing factors in the publicity, I agree, as will be seen. Thus, aside from any question of responsibility for a story and the language used, it is clear that a great deal could be argued pro and con concerning the possible effect or tendency of various articles. Taking at random one paper cited by the General Counsel, which carried two related stories on the same page, the first of these quoted a union organizer declaring that the threat to close was mere propaganda to discourage the calling of elections at the other plants and "to put fear in the minds of people now at Darlington." The organizer also stated that relations between Darlington and its employees had been poor. In the second of these articles, it was pointed out that the closing would cause both the city and county to suffer economically, the mill being the city's second largest taxpayer. On one hand it can be argued that the effect noted in these articles is on Darlington employees only and their community. On the other hand, such stories, communicated to employees elsewhere, could chill or prevent their union activities. To take an article cited by the Respondents, one evening daily, reporting the stockholders' approval of the proposed liquidation, declared: It was decided, however, to lessen the employment hardships, to offer the physical assets of the plant at auction Dec. 12-13, it was announced. It might be urged that an intent "to lessen the employment hardships," if accurately reported, would indicate a purpose not to chill and a nonchilling effect. On the other hand, who can say what the purpose is and the possibile effect of reference to employment hardships? As much, or as little, could be said concerning later articles. Not only arguments but inferences also could be urged pro and con, multiplied several hundred times with little if anything to commend one finding over another. The shown Whether in publicity or in connecion with any other element cited , we can broadly include, as we do throughout, the issue of purpose and effect to chill employees' organizational activities at related businesses Thus I do not adopt the Deering Milliken argument , reasonably based on the Court's language, that an organizational campaign at another mill must be "actual or threatened" or "simultaneous" to bring the case within the rule laid down by the Court . But whether such a campaign appears to be imminent or threatened (within what period?) may bear on the tion of intent at the time of the shutdown 3 Cf Berger Polishing, Inc., 147 NLRB 21, 33 299-352 0-70-71 1110 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD answer is indicated by such considerations as authorship and responsibility, chilling purpose, and effect. Thus, unlike the situation after the second hearing, when hundreds of documents were cited in the Trial Examiner's report because their very language, authorship, and circulation explained the relationship then under examination, the articles here received in evidence can be cited as a group with respect to their tenor, circulation, and with few exceptions, their source, without separate and specific references. As for special significance, if there be any, of particular articles not otherwise referred to herein, it has not been indicated-and this is scarcely the time to commence a search for significance. The nature and extent of radio4 or television coverage of the Darlington closing (as distinguished from the chart showing stations) and the stations' viewer ratings remain unknown to us. Although included in the General Counsel's bill of particulars with its promise of proof, these are understandably not mentioned in his brief unless it be deemed included in the phrase, "the scope of the news media." In appraising the foreseeable effect of the publicity, we must consider the nature and extent of such publicity as stimulative or productive of any effect, this being part of the basis for evaluating any tendency to affect or foreseeable effect; and also, as does the General Counsel, the employees allegedly affected, and their readership and general interest as indicated. The question is not how any employees or people anywhere would be affected, but how these mill employees would foreseeably be or were affected; as they were observed and as they tend to react on the basis of their reading interest and general knowledge of and concern with Deering Milliken and Darlington events. The forseeable effect of a stimulus depends on the persons stimulated, as the record here portrays them and as I observed them. In reply to the Respondents' objection that the articles cited were hearsay, it was explained at the hearing that our concern is with the purpose and effect of the articles; whether the statements made be true or not, their effect is not hearsay. If the Respondents' responsibility for publication be shown as reflecting their purpose, and with it a chilling effect on employees at other mills or businesses as defined, we would have chilling purpose and effect chargeable to them. For whatever it does show, the publicity is properly before us. In its remand order the Board pointed out that the widespread publicity5 given the Darlington shutdown and the knowledge of the shutdown obtained by employees of the Deering Milliken mills appeared relevant to the issue of foreseeable effect. Perhaps in reliance on this reference to effect alone (not purpose), the General Counsel appeared at one point to claim only, as I noted on the record when he referred to the many newspaper clippings and offered the summary exhibit, that the articles show a chilling effect. Indeed, it would be difficult to claim that 4 Scarcely challengeable and as scarcely probative are statements by a few employees that they heard or thought they heard of the shutdown, over the radio By whom the publicity cited in the bill of particulars was given was not at that time considered. s Aside from the rule that effect without motive is not violative, I insert the reminder because of the length of this decision that I have not overlooked the General Counsel's claim that purpose and effect go together . At the moment the problem is whether, the many articles themselves shows a chilling purpose at Darlington for that would be to argue that, if the shutdown was otherwise lawful, those who controlled it should have desisted and were obliged to continue operations if they had reason to foresee that others would promote publicity concerning it.7 But no more than the effect can the amount" of publicity given the Darlington shutdown be determinative of any issue here unless shown to be foreseen and purposed. True, a shutdown of an important employment factor in a small community will receive publicity in the area and perhaps throughout the industry. Were it argued that this must affect employees elsewhere and that the intent to do so is to be presumed, it would call for a per se finding that Darlington could not be closed. The Board has not made such a finding of purpose and effect, nor can I. On the other hand, no attempt has been made to compare the amount of publicity received with any so-called normal quantity. If in fact it was only " normal ," a finding that such an amount reflects a chilling purpose would leave no alternative but continued operation regardless of the absence of actual chilling purpose, lest a shutdown receive normal publicity and be thereupon declared violative ! While the situation is different where there are common controlling interests, similar objection must be noted to the requirement of continued operation (where shutdown would otherwise be found lawful) if the alternative be an uncritical finding of publicity with an inference of chilling purpose. One can expect some correlation between proof of intent or motive to chill employees elsewhere and the extent of publicity and number of releases issued by the Respondents through news media availed of by employees of other businesses, including other Deering Milliken mills, in which the persons exercising control over Darlington had a substantial interest. Yet Roger Milliken's9 testimony concerning his attitude, his purpose, and his acts with respect to publicity stands uncontradicted and unshaken. On cross-examination he testified that, because the Union had won the election, he did not expect it to file charges concerning the election; and that he did not think that he had considered that the Union might file charges in connection with the liquidation of the plant. He had earlier told us that he had thought it best that "the absolute minimum" be said about the calling of the stockholders' meeting to liquidate, and that he "did not comment at all" when queried by the press between the directors' and the stockholders' meetings. It was later brought out that he asked those with whom he came in contact (presumably the mill treasurers, Poag, infra, and others who appeared at various mills) " not to discuss the Darlington situation at all." A trade paper published in New York City (not one of the newspapers here cited on the issue of chilling employees at other mills) reported Milliken' s statement on September 12, 1956, that the directors had that day despite the Court's call for proof of motive, chilling purpose flows from or can be found from a showing of chilling effect. 9 In addition to this, we have such questions as foreseeability of publicity in the light of earlier closings, sources of and responsibility for the articles, and, of course, the chilling effect on employees elsewhere s Reference was made to a "whittling down" from 350 articles, including substantially similar ones, to 225 s No attempt has been made to connect publicity concerning the shutdown with others who controlled Darlington. DARLINGTON MFG. CO. 1111 unanimously recommended that the stockholders vote to liquidate at a meeting to be held on October 17, and that "Mr. Milliken had no further comment." Immediately after the stockholders' meeting, Darlington issued a news release which was published and which included a partial inventory of assets to be sold. Milliken explained that he hoped thereby to gain publicity for the sale. The third and only other statement which Milliken or Darlington (Deering Milliken's connection is vicarious or to be imputed) issued, even if it be regarded with cynicism and as self-serving although long before the current issues and investigation, recited some of Darlington's economic history and the purpose to make the mill ready for sale at the earliest opportunity so that, if it were sold as an entirety, its people would still be available to run the plant and, if piecemeal, so that new industry could quickly be attracted and the serious economic effects minimized. We do not know whether this statement was published in any newspapers. None of these evidence a purpose to chill employees elsewhere. Nor had publicity in connection with prior mill closings indicated that there would here be either a mass of publicity or a chilling of employees elsewhere thereby. Mill Treasurer Oeland told us that, when reporters asked for a statement, he would tell them that he had nothing to report; and that when he joined in the directors' liquidation recommendation to the stockholders, he did not expect the quantity of publicity which was thereafter generated. The General Counsel has not disputed the Respondents' summary that, of the mass of articles cited in these newspapers, only three emanated from or reported conversations with Roger Milliken. Some reflect a normal (an undefined term) and foreseeable newspaper interest reflected in the writers' initiative. Many are attributable to the Charging Union (or the Teamsters). These cannot be held to be a foreseeable effect of the shutdown, and I would not base on them any liability by the Respondents.io The bill of particulars submitted to persuade the Board to reopen the record for further hearing and testimony, lists many newspaper stories and editorials but disclaims knowledge of the extent to which the Respondents are "immediately" responsible" for their publication or circulation. We have just seen that no more than three articles represented press releases or statements by the Respondents. The Respondents did not purpose or intend the publicity received and, as we have seen, could not from prior closings have foreseen it. Aside from any question of duty to take different action, it does not appear that they foresaw or were responsible for the publicity indicated. If the Respondents were not initially responsible for the publicity concerning the Darlington shutdown, did it become their duty to make disavowals, and does the absence of disavowals indicate the necessary chilling purpose? The General Counsel may have in mind his disclaimer of the Respondents' "immediate" responsibility as he cites publicity and "the picture thus portrayed of the Employer," and points out that "the Employer never disavowed the image publicly attributed to it." Despite this apparent claim that disavowal was necessary, he does not argue or cite authority to show the existence of a duty to disavow although that issue was raised at the hearing. It may be advisable to cover this point since argument on it may yet be made and received. The Board has long held that an employer is not liable for an alleged threat not otherwise shown to have been made but reported in a newspaper article which he failed to disavow.12 In the instant case the publicity cited centers mainly on alleged attitudes as appraised and reported by others. To the extent that Roger Milliken, by sending a copy to mill treasurers, adopted an article which indicated his admitted opposition to unionization, we must keep in mind that our concern is with a purpose to chill employees, and the effect; and it does not appear that any such article was by him intended for or directly or indirectly distributed to employees; he would have neither reason nor obligation to make disavowal to them. is It should be unnecessary to point out that our issues are different from that of failure to maintain laboratory conditions for an election, which can be found without responsibility of the parties involved but, where effect on employees is declared, on the basis of third party statements and advertisements for which the "editors and other, unidentified, third parties" are responsible.14 Coming now to the chilling purpose and effect of the items cited, we note the application of what has already been pointed out with respect to purpose and effect generally: We must find that publicity and readership were purposed and foreseeable by those who controlled the Darlington closing; and then that the effect of such foreseeable publicity on employees of other mills was itself purposed and foreseeable. As with respect to testimony concerning other events, however, testimony by an employee of another mill that he read and was actually chilled (without the element of chilling purpose) by newspaper articles does not prove earlier motive. The General Counsel, brought out that it was a reasonable assumption' 5 that the employees at other mills, and specifically at the nearby Hartsville mill, would know of the Darlington shutdown. From this he argues that chilling intent (in addition to effect 16) is to be inferred from the fact that the shutdown was nevertheless consummated. Thus somewhere between the absence of immediate responsibility of the Respondents for the publicity noted and the assumption that what happened at 10 Not only is issuance of releases by the Union not chargeable to the Respondents , but it suggests that the tendency of the publicity, and certainly its purpose , would be to encourage employees' organizational activities , not to chill them 11 Neither has any "mediate" or secondary responsibility been shown 11 Vermont American Furniture Corporation, 82 NLRB 408, Byrds Manufacturing Corp., 140 NLRB 147 11 Cf Standard Coil Products, Inc, 99 NLRB 899, 914, Bibb Manufacturing Company, 82 NLRB 338; Hamburg Shirt Corporation, 156 NLRB 511, Lake Butler Apparel Company, et al., 158 NLRB 863, Monroe Auto Equipment Company, 159 NLRB 613. Cf also Henry I. Siegel Co, Inc., Case 26-RM-179, Decision on Review, June 28, 1966, where the employer made no attempt to disavow after having facilitated distribution by another of material which inhibited employees from freely exercising their choice in an election 14 Universal Manufacturing Corporation of Mississippi, 156 NLRB 1459, Proctor-Silex Corporation, 159 NLRB 598. 11 As the examination continued, the witness told us that he gave "no consideration " to the shutdown as impeding unionization of other mills 16 We are reminded that, in line with his argument that they "went together," the General Counsel treats purpose and effect simultaneously, and cites publicity and Roger Milliken's awareness of it under the combined heading 1112 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD Darlington would be known" to employees elsewhere, the Respondents have allegedly become guilty of chilling purpose and responsible for chilling effect. Once again, this proves too much, the argument being that publicity is to be expected and, whatever the actual motive and legality of the shutdown, its effectuation proves the existence of a chilling purpose. In short, given publicity, including presumably that which emanated from the Charging Union, of which there must necessarily be an awareness or expectation, there could be no shutdown unless there had been a chilling purpose-an inference which could as well have been drawn from stipulated facts and without a hearing.18 As for a foreseeable chilling effect of the publicity stipulated to, the same objection lies to a per se or built-in inference based on the fact of publication. We shall consider the extent of the publicity; that it is not chargeable to the Respondents, we have seen. If a great deal of publicity followed the first steps taken to liquidate Darlington and the ultimate liquidation, much of it prompted by the Union, any excess over the "normal" did not emanate from and does not reflect a chilling purpose by the Respondents. No duty was thereby imposed on them to call off the shutdown. Whatever their purpose before, an "overwhelming19 amount of publicity," in the General Counsel's words, not purposed and not chargeable to the Respondents, neither changes nor adds to the other evidence received on the issue of purpose. Beyond the possible inferences from the extent of the publicity and the circulation or coverage of various news media, and aside from any question of the Respondents' responsibility therefore with respect to either chilling purpose or effect, we must consider the facts as indicated at the hearing concerning actual readership among employees of other mills. The General Counsel's reference to "The Employer's Public Image," if convenient, can be misleading. The Supreme Court has remanded for consideration of the foreseeable effect on various employees. Thus whatever portion of the public received the image from a November 1956 magazine article and a speech by Roger Milliken in January 1956, 2 months before the beginning of the Union's campaign at Darlington, which image the General Counsel details, there is no evidence that rank-and-file employees were acquainted with or affected by either of these. At the moment we are merely reviewing items which were considered many years ago and which do not adequately substitute for the evidence called for now. The background of Milliken history has been cited time and again. Whatever may be said about it, we can now only find that it has not been shown to have affected employees at Darlington or at other Deering Milliken mills. The testimony received at this hearing indicates that employee interest at other mills has been confined to their own place of employment; in fact, it does not appear to have extended to jobs beyond their own. (This is a problem which has faced the Union.) No more than their knowledge of circumstances at mills earlier closed, whether in Maine, New York, or Alabama, and whether unionized or not, can 11 This would dispose of the issue of chilling effect if it were necessary to show only that there was some effect, however slight. is The argument for such built -in purpose is no more persuasive than was that for the built - in cause for shutdown when made at the first hearing or as since recognized in the case of a complete closing to counteract organizational activities 19 This is more than the General Counsel would have to prove It is doubtful that the Supreme Court, referring to chilling effect, called for proof that employees in other businesses were their knowledge of Darlington be cited or facts which indicate that they were affected by it. If one could hazard the guess that, of the thousands of employees with whom the Supreme Court is concerned, one did read America's Textile Reporter or the report of Roger Milliken's early speech, it is not of such stuff that proof of effect on rank- and-file employees consists. Here again, Roger Milliken's attitude toward unions is different from a purpose on the Darlington shutdown to affect employees elsewhere; and we must also consider the effect, not on businessmen or another segment of the undefined "public" (as in "public image"), but on employees of other businesses as described, a specific, extensive, yet limited portion of the public. Were it in issue on a complaint of interference with employees of other mills (to this point we would have no more than intent , neither sufficient nor relevant), and were it responsibly brought to the attention of such employees (a necessary element for tendency to interfere), Milliken's January 1956 Kiwanis speech would constitute interference with those other employees' protected concerted activities. But the use to which the speech would be put in the instant proceeding is quite different. Not claimed to constitute interference, and not brought to the attention of those employees, the speech is cited as evidence of a purpose to chill them effectuated in the Darlington shutdown. But that is the argument that, because he opposed unionization, Milliken purposed to chill other employees when he effected the Darlington shutdown. This argument covers the element which the General Counsel must prove and as has been pointed out, were it sufficient, we would have no need for proof since the opposition20 and the shutdown are admitted. Whether we would rely on the speech or on the admitted opposition to unionization, we have been asked by this remand for more than an inference that the intent at Darlington extended to other businesses. Called by the General Counsel or by the Respondents, various mill employees indicated limited readership of newspaper articles and notices and limited knowledge of the Darlington shutdown, to the extent of ignorance as to who owned Darlington, much less of any common control; their testimony indicated lack of interest, not any chilling by what had occurred at Darlington. The greater interest and knowledge of the Darlington closing displayed by supervisors in response to questioning is not here relevant. A fair conclusion to be drawn from the testimony in this respect is that rank-and-file employees' readership generally is less than cursory, being virtually nonexistent, and that the attention paid to such news or reports rises with responsibility in the plants. We need not now establish which is cause and which is effect; concomitance is clear. This is not to say that employees are not interested in events at other mills although some questioned about such events did not indicate even an interest. The testimony shows that the concern over events at other mills is limited and neither stems from nor is dependent on newspaper reports.21 overwhelmed. 20 Citing the Kiwanis speech and other statements , the Gen-di Counsel has himself noted that Milliken's appraisals of employees ' uncooperative attitudes "were in earlier testimony of his, in regard to why he closed Darlington." 21 Conceivably the Respondents might have purposed oral discussion and rumors among rank - and-file employees of related businesses . But the testimony concerning such discussion, received as noted supra , is minimal. DARLINGTON MFG. CO. We have seen that the Board did not feel warranted in employing its expertise to determine the tendency of Darlington's acts, previously testified to, to interfere with employees at other plants. For this there would be neither precedent nor anything more than theorizing, albeit by experts. This would be a more remote expression of the tendency of Darlington's acts since it would depend on the intermediate reporting to employees elsewhere, who are admittedly more remote than Darlington's employees themselves. With evidence now received concerning publicity, circulation figures, and actual readership among the rank- and-file employees of the various mills, inferences could be drawn with respect to the tendency of the articles to chill. But here again expertise and inference must give way to the evidence received concerning the actual effect of the publication or of the acts as publicized on mill employees elsewhere. Like the Board, the General Counsel did not rest on inference, based on expertise, from the fact of publicity to the extent that it might be shown by statistics and charts. He sought to prove actual effect of such publicity, and to this end called witnesses, but very few, whose testimony even if multiplied as typical virtually barred a finding of chilling effect. Any possible inference of effect on employees elsewhere, which might now be drawn even if it was not earlier , is thus negated by the actual proof received. Even were the effect of publicity considered without the element of chilling purpose, we should be reluctant, and with good reason, to charge any untoward effect on the basis of these news reports; or to attempt to evaluate the effect of stories of union gains or defeats, advantages to employees, or losses suffered. To the extent that some publicity can be foreseen, it would indeed be anomalous if, quite apart from the lawfulness of given acts, one had to fear publicity given to such acts (if they were committed with a certain intent 22) under that freedom of the press which is constitutionally ours; or if what is declared lawful but for such publicity becomes unlawful when publicized among strangers to the proceeding who were never within its purview or within the indicated consideration of the parties.23 Beyond noting that the responses received indicate that some mill workers, subscribers among them, do not read the newspapers, and that the interest of others does not extend to news reports and editorials like those before us, we need not detail the clippings submitted to show the publicity given to the Darlington closing and the effect thereof. As for purpose, the General Counsel's disclaimer of knowledge of the extent to which the Respondents are immediately responsible for their publication or circulation was well advised; no greater than his prehearing knowledge has been his proof of the Respondents' responsibility for the newspaper stories which he has cited. 22 Cf. Ginzburg, et al v U.S , 383 U.S 463, where purpose as well as direct dissemination were found. 23 In connection with any attempt to evaluate the publicity here, an interesting factual contrast can be seen in the recent Universal Manufacturing Corporation of Mississippi case, 156 NLRB 1459, in which the Board set aside an election because of the nature and extent of the publicity and other community action. 1113 There is no basis for finding that the Respondents purposed or planned the publicity (such action being the sine qua non of the effect inquired into and the benefit allegedly sought) when it was decided to close Darlington. Not only did the Respondents not sponsor or promote the mass of documents which have been submitted, but aside from any "natural" or "normal" publicity which might have been foreseen (it was not shown to have been marked in the case of liquidation of other mills, unionized or not, in which the Milliken family had a substantial interest), it appears that a considerable amount of publicity originated with the Union. We have seen that there was no obligation on the Respondents to disavow the product of newspaper writers, not solicited by them; and certainly not to disavow items sponsored by the Union. Whatever the effect of the publicity, and even. had there been a coercive effect on employees elsewhere, the Charging Union could not by its own acts impose upon the Respondents a liability for any effect, much less for motive. VIII . REFUSALS TO HIRE Whatever has hereinabove been said concerning tendency to affect rather than actual effect, there is no issue or question here about any inference which might be drawn that Darlington employees would not be employed at other Deering Milliken mills. The General Counsel, in his bill of particulars, claimed such'actual refusals, and he called witnesses to testify concerning them. While the testimony pro and con will be analyzed in deference to possible interest on review, certain principles which appear to dispose of these items will first be mentioned. Even refusal, if shown to have been purposed at Darlington, to hire former Darlington employees at other mills would not establish chilling effect or a tendency to chill employees of other mills. The General Counsel would also need to show purpose at Darlington with respect to the hiring of its employees elsewhere, and also that such purpose was by Darlington or someone else responsibly communicated so that it affected other plants' employees; and this we must consider.24 Discrimination in refusal to hire former Darlington employees, were it shown, is not discrimination against or chilling effect on employees at other mills. The General Counsel, attempting to show what would amount to discrimination in refusals to hire at other mills, has not claimed, much less attempted to show that the subjective response or reaction of applicants constitutes chilling effect on employees of other mills, which is the proof called for by the Supreme Court. Neither has it been suggested that Section 8(a)(3) discrimination lie found against the other mills and that they be directed to hire with backpay any who were denied employment. Whatever violation this might be, there is no evidence to indicate that it reflects a purpose to reap a benefit vis-a-vis the employees of businesses other than Darlington; nor is it, as an effect, a benefit with respect to such other employees. If, on the other hand, there was no 24 It can again be pointed out, although this is necessarily dictum if the findings with respect to credibility and insufficiency of proof be accepted , that on the issue of chilling purpose, whatever liability might be imposed on the Respondents for discrimination by an employment office on the theory of respondeat superior, it is something else to attribute fell purpose at the time of the shutdown by those who determined the shutdown 1114 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD untoward or violative act25 against Darlington employees at other mills, this basis for the claim of chilling purpose and intent to demonstrate to employees of Hartsville and other plants, alleged by the General Counsel, stands without support. But, on review, interest may yet conceivably be disclosed in the circumstances as warranting an inference of chilling purpose at Darlington communicated to the other mills. Conceivably also it might be urged that a chilling purpose at Darlington was "sensed" and reflected at the other mills- this inferentially establishing both Darlington's chilling purpose and a chilling effect at the other mills. In this connection it must be pointed out that any refusals to hire former Darlington employees, if found to be an effect of the Darlington shutdown, could at most have a remote or secondary result on employees of the other mills if such refusals were shown to have come to their attention. Insofar as alleged discrimination against Darlington people is itself concerned, the multiplication of issues prompts the reminder that our inquiry is into chilling purpose and effect with respect to employees elsewhere. Aside from the question of effect on other employees, the General Counsel's position is and must be that the Respondents purposed a denial at other mills of employment for former Darlington employees. The fact that some Darlington people were hired despite the alleged control itself suggests that the picture of the reception accorded them and outright rejection at the employment office, drawn by the General Counsel's witnesses, is not true. If other arrangements, as exceptions to the purpose and policy claimed, were made for those hired so that the purposed discriminatory procedure was not followed as to them, this is still a matter of proof. The General Counsel offers but his own a priori argument that those Darlington employees who found employment were specially favored (although a chilling purpose could be expressed without distinction between pro- and anti-union employees-as indeed it was in the shutdown); while any refusals of employment reflected a chilling purpose. Having received the testimony without objection and for the possibilities which existed of their bearing on the remand issues, and since the inquiry is novel and one cannot be certain of the light in which it will be reviewed, we can proceed to analyze it briefly. We recall that in our earlier consideration of specific incidents, it could be stated as the Board did in its decision of October 1962 that the evidence was to a large extent uncontradicted. With respect to the instant alleged refusals to rehire, as with respect to incidents of threat and other interference at various mills, infra, we have direct issues of credibility. Testimony was received concerning refusal at other mills to hire former Darlington employees; specifically 1 at Kingstree mill, and 10 at Hartsville.26 Of those who applied at Hartsville in October or November 1956, a few months or within six after the shutdown, early in 1957, in March or April of 1957, or in the fall of 1958, according to their testimony, all except Gooding allegedly went to the employment office; all but two spoke to a lady there; given and having filled out an application, some were asked whether they had voted for the Union at Darlington, and their negative answer elicited the response, "Nobody did !" Others having indicated that they had worked at Darlington were refused an application form or saw the completed form deposited in the waste basket; other responses were that there were no openings and none were expected, while one applicant was allegedly asked why the Darlington employees had closed the mill down and then was told, "that they raised their own help there." Since we shall shortly refer to people who were hired at Hartsville, a number of them on recommendation of Dixon, a former Darlington supervisor, we should not overlook the testimony by two other former supervisors, one of whom sought employment at Hartsville and elsewhere27 but was refused, the other unsuccessful in obtaining jobs for some Darlington employees in 1957. Success and failure among former Darlington supervisors thus mirrored the results of efforts by rank-and-file employees. No reason has been suggested, and certainly no discriminatory or chilling purpose for the different results insofar as various supervisors were concerned. Further, since supervisors did not vote in the Darlington election, it may be questioned, aside from the absence of evidence that any of this was "demonstrated" to employees at Hartsville or elsewhere, whether the refusal to hire or follow these recommendations could be, as alleged in the bill of particulars, "in order to demonstrate, to the employees of their Hartsville mill and their remaining plants, the dire effects of voting for a union in one of their mills." If we consider further one of the instances cited of alleged appearance at Hartsville and refusal of an application, it might be urged that a 2-year wait to apply after Darlington's shutdown demonstrates the extent to which some Darlington employees were themselves chilled. That they were interfered with I long ago found. Were further proof now relevant concerning the effect on Darlington employees, this additional testimony would not warrant the finding thus urged in the face of many other possibilities and explanations for the 2-year delay. Again we must remind ourselves that the effect on Darlington employees, already proved, did not lead Court or Board to find and does not warrant our assumption that the chilling purpose and effect with respect to employees elsewhere, concerning which we were to take proof, existed. If retribution is to be visited upon the Respondents for Dixon's sins in having and helping friends, I can find intriguing, since I dare not ignore it, the testimony concerning Henry J. Yarboro. As the General Counsel points out, Yarboro had assured Oeland that he would help fight the Union at Darlington, and fight it he did. Oeland, far more influential than Dixon , allegedly suggested about 5 days after the election that Yarboro go to Kingstree mill, where there was a job opening. Whether Yarboro mentioned his impressive support does not appear . He told us only that, after he submitted his application, he was first told by an overseer to start work the following morning; but that the overseer then went out and on his 25 We need not decide whether chilling purpose or effect could be found in the absence of discriminatory refusal to hire at the other mills if their employees knew of applications by Darlington people. (Presumably Hartsville employees knew that some people from Darlington were hired , infra.) This is but another interesting problem suggested by the reference to purpose and effect with respect to employees elsewhere . For example , would chilling purpose and effect be found if and because those who closed Darlington knew that a poor employment market would mean no jobs for the discharged employees? $6 Two of the latter did not testify , their alleged application was testified to by one of the other eight. 87 Without further details , he testified that he also applied at Lockhart and Union mills DARLINGTON MFG. CO. 1115 return told Yarboro that he could not put him to work; he had just received orders "from the Home Office" not to hire anyone from Darlington. It is quite unnecessary to detail the testimony by Kingstree's 1956 overseer. While Yarboro appreciated the importance of the alleged incident when "it came back to [his] mind" so that he sent a letter about it to the Union's attorney, he had made no mention of it in a 3-page statement given to the General Counsel. I credit the oversee's denial of Yarboro's testimony, and his own testimony concerning the employment situation at Kingstree, his practice with respect to age limits, and the different experience required. The testimony concerning Kingstree does not support the General Counsel's position. Following closely on this, the General Counsel cites Yarboro among those given employment at Hartsville. That like Yarboro seven other Darlington supervisors or rank-and-file employees, whether related to, friendly with, or recommended2S by supervisors or employees, were hired at Hartsville does not prove discrimination against any not hired; and certainly not a purpose at Darlington or Deering Milliken not to hire former Darlington employees.29 If Pitts at Hartsville discussed any of these employees with Oeland, it appears to have concerned their ability, without evidence of a chilling purpose at Darlington. Before we consider the testimony received to refute that submitted by the applicants to whom we have referred, it should be noted that Gaines, personnel manager at Hartsville recently and for a short time but not during the period in question, testified on the basis of summary exhibits which were later withdrawn after their accuracy or completeness was challenged. If we cannot rely on Gaines' testimony and his explanations based on information available to him, because he was not at Hartsville during the period covered and because necessary records had been destroyed, neither can it be said that the testimony that some former Darlington people had applied but had not been hired while others were hired30 proved discrimination because of union activities. While we cannot rely on the documents submitted and withdrawn, and since because of missing records it does not appear that a full examination into earlier conditions could now be made, the explained unavailability of original records31 leaves us without proof of the extent and circumstances of any hirings. The General Counsel cannot prove, from the limited information on hand, that former Darlington employees were discriminated against and, because old records are no longer available, the Respondents cannot prove that employees were hired without discrimination: the burden of proof remains on the General Counsel aside from any questions of relevancy and timeliness of this aspect of the inquiry. Mention has been made of Gooding as one of the former Darlington employees who was refused employment at Hartsville. This witness testified that he went to the Hartsville mill in November 1956; that as he got to the factory door (he apparently had missed or ignored the no admittance sign which other witnesses saw and the fact that the employment office was in another building and another direction), a man in street clothes asked where he was going ; that he said he was going to see the spinning room foreman for a job and , in response to the man's question , that he was from Darlington; and that the man thereupon blasphemously ordered him off the property, saying that he wanted "nobody on this property from Darlington ." Gooding further testified that he then went to his car while the other man "went on toward the office."32 At this point Gooding asked a man who had just driven up and said he was going to work, who the other man was, and was told that he was the factory superintendent. An initial comment here would be that the extreme or broad aspect of the alleged remark to Gooding is belied by the contrary claim by the General Counsel that some Darlington people were hired while others were permitted to file applications. Certainly the unknown speaker identified as factory superintendent by the unknown employee did not know Gooding or his sympathies. That the latter did not reach the point of formal application need not give us pause. This would be a case of anticipatory refusal were the other needed elements present. The hearsay identification of the factory superintendent or the erroneous identification, by one who appeared to be a rank-and-file employee, of another who might be a chilled rank-and-file employee (as ingeniously argued by the General Counsel) was permitted to stand because of such circumstances as location and dress and although the identifier was himself unidentified and not available for examination . We could await further testimony in corroboration or contrariwise by the "factory superintendent." Treasurer of Hartsville in 1956 and its chief operating officer, Pitts testified that he had not been involved in any such episode as Gooding had described. In the attempt to cover all recognizable possibilities under Gooding's reference to the factory superintendent, the Respondents called Arrowood, who had been production superintendent, also known as "General Superintendent," at Hartsville in 1956. He too denied involvement in such an incident as Gooding's. Arrowood explained what he would do or did in directing applicants to the employment office. Questioned further, he testified, and quite credibly, that he did not use such language as Gooding had testified to. We need not pursue the uncertain possibility suggested by the General Counsel, and only somewhat limited in its extent that, supervisors having been instructed to tell any unauthorized person to leave mill property, Gooding may have met one of the supervisors. To the extent that the question of application by Darlington employees for employment at other mills may "Weldon F "Buck" Truett, a former Darlington supervisor, does not fall into any of these classifications. 21 Or "personnel," the term employed by the General Counsel in his bill of particulars as the scope was thus broadened so that, even if discrimination could not be found against supervisors, a chilling effect on employees at other plants might be found were there evidence of their knowledge and such effect 30 Although much was made of this pro and con at the hearing it was the subject of the withdrawn exhibits as well as of others received , we shall see that the issue concerning Hartsville is not the availability of jobs except as it affected willingness or refusal to hire Darlington people. 31 This was accepted by the General Counsel in his prehearing investigation and at the hearing although he now speaks of counsel's reference , unquestioned at the time , to "some sort of flood." Under these circumstances, we could rely on the uncontradicted testimony by Pitts, former chief operating officer at Hartsville until 1958 , that employment there was on the wane during this period 32 This building is 1-1/2 blocks from the factory building, Gooding evidently knew that it was the office 1116 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD here be deemed relevant, we must consider the Respondents' testimony concerning its hiring practices and the alleged events, particularly at Hartsville. In addition to the little just noted, our attention in this connection centers on the testimony by Garner, who was examined and cross-examined at length. On the issue of identity it was stipulated that she was the lady in the personnel office described by those Darlington applicants who referred to and described a lady with whom they allegedly dealt; yet an outstanding feature, which was omitted from their descriptions was the nurse's white uniform and cap which Garner wore while on duty. A registered nurse, Garner lived in the building which bore the sign , Personnel and Clinic. She doubled as personnel manager and plant nurse . No other lady handed out applications, and once when Garner was sick for 2 days, the office was closed. I have not overlooked bits of Garner's testimony which could be taken out of context to suggest that she was both partisan and untruthful. Thus she adequately explained such questions33 put to applicants as their past employment. Without dissimulation she avoided credibility traps as she admitted reading of the possibility that Darlington might be closed, and knowledge of some relationship between Darlington and Hartsville and also that Roger Milliken was connected with both. She would be charged with carelessness or false testimony had she denied that she checked applicants' employment history, including any at Darlington.(This supports the testimony that she accepted and retained applications from former Darlington employees.) It does not appear that from the latter she learned of union activities or sympathies of the applicants, or even that the Darlington personnel manager, with whom she checked, had such knowledge. Nor is my impression of Garner's credibility lessened by her testimony that as a nurse she is "neutral" to the idea of unions but that, having quit at Hartsville on good terms, she called and notified the treasurer after a union representative who she thought was from the Board came to her home prior to this hearing. If the Darlington people who testified that they applied at Hartsville did apply and were not hired, their applications kept with others as Garner related were destroyed in a fire at the mill. I find that none was denied an application or had his application rejected in the employment office because he was a former Darlington employee. Some Darlington personnel were hired although as explained the policy at Hartsville was to give preference to ex-servicemen, employees out on medical leave or pregnancy, those laid off because of automation, friends or relatives of supervisors or rank-and-file employees, and local residents. If postal lines are arbitrary or misleading as to location or distance,34 or if they incorrectly suggested that residents of Darlington lived a greater distance from Hartsville or the Hartsville mill, or had different local interests, none of this proves that Hartsville discriminated when it considered applicants' address or the other factors cited. If those Darlington employees who came recommended by a Darlington supervisor could be deemed antiunion, it cannot be found that Garner or others at Hartsville who 33 The responsibility for such questions , which are not unusual, was not hers . But her explanation went to the suggestion that the answers could be used and that she did improperly use them as she allegedly discarded the applications 34 Unless a designated geographical area is a perfect circle with the plant at the very center , there must be points outside the area which are closer to the plant than are some points within it But were involved in hiring knew or believed that any applicants from Darlington who were not hired favored the Union and that those hired were opposed to it. As for any rule or practice against hiring former Darlington employees unless they came well recommended, the evidence before us does not prove it and I credit Garner's testimony to the contrary. Certainly if a supervisor who needed help checked applications to fill his need and discarded any because it indicated prior employment at Darlington, we would have evidence of discrimination by that supervisor. But we have no such evidence with respect to these few applicants or others from Darlington who were not hired, if there were others. I do not believe that Garner, who was in charge of the employment office and whose testimony under lengthy cross-examination made it clear that she handled all applications, prevaricated so egregiously or at all as she must have done were the alleged applicants to be credited. Garner impressed me as an honest and reliable witness. If the conflicting stories indicate that one set or the other was made of the whole cloth, I have here less problem than that frequently faced in finding the facts. We have here an absence or failure of proof in the limited extent to which proof has been offered; and in the latter respect, the proof is to the contrary of the claims of discriminatory refusal to hire at the other mills.35 Whether employees of their or any classification were needed when the applicants allegedly presented themselves at Hartsville does not appear. If a Darlington employee applied for "any job" (one testified that he did), it does not appear that any was available at the time. The application form, on which experience was to be listed, did not call for specification by the applicant of the job sought; placement being left to the respective overseers on the basis of the other information on the application and the mill's need. Nor does it appear that applications were deliberately or discriminately passed over. (We recall the absence of old records to cast light on this.) But unlike the situation at Kingstree, where it was shown inter alia that there was no need for Yarboro, the defense concerning Hartsville is that no applicants were turned away because of their prior employment at Darlington. Thus not only does the extent of labor turnover at Hartsville in 1954 and 1955 not show conditions or need for employees in late 1956 and thereafter, but such proof is quite unnecessary to the General Counsel' s case, which in this connection rests on the alleged attitude toward Darlington people. Having pointed out that proof of knowledge by employees of the other mills or businesses that Darlington personnel had been refused employment is needed to show the chilling effect inquired into; and having indicated that the testimony has been carefully considered, both sides treating the subject as fully as if it involved Section 8(a)(3) allegations against the respective mills, I would add that it has not been shown which employees of other mills were chilled or that any were. True, applicants can be included as employees where discriminatory refusal to hire appears.36 But the issue here being the chilling effect as purposed by those who controlled Darlington, unless this does not bar preference based on location in the area. as We note infra the Respondents ' argument that known union supporters at other mills were not discharged. 36 This has long been recognized even if the Act does not explicitly include them as it does those who have been terminated (supra) DARLINGTON MFG. CO. 1117 there be evidence of earlier purpose, later applicants do not fall within the definition as we relate events back to the time of the acts at Darlington. Were our issue whether, in closing Darlington, Roger Milliken or others sought to discourage Darlington employees' union activities elsewhere,37 such purpose would include even Darlington employees who might later seek employment at the other businesses. But this is not the issue. There has been no suggestion of any question whether Darlington interfered with and discharged its employees in order to discourage them from applying elsewhere; the discouragement meted out to them at Darlington was quite complete or at any rate sufficient within the meaning of the Act and reality even if in this case not found to be discriminatory. The testimony concerning refusals to hire relates to Darlington employees only; we have been directed to consider chilling purpose and effect with respect to employees of other businesses. Nor, even if discrimination against them at other mills were alleged and shown, were the few applicants brought to our attention chilled by Darlington insofar as those other mills were concerned: they did apply at these other Deering Milliken mills. We have to this point been spared the claim and the speculation that, but for chilling, they would have applied elsewhere and many other Darlington employees would have applied at other mills. These findings are supported by the apparent absence of any complaint or charge against the other mills that these employees or any of them were discriminatorily refused employment. This is not to say that multiple actions are necessary. But the simple and certainly less involved proceeding is one directly alleging discrimination for refusal to hire: at the time of the alleged refusals and prior to the Supreme Court's remand, it was the only one recognized. The rebuffs and refusals as testified to were egregious and clearly violative. Yet none of these individuals, now allegedly tainted and with little more to lose, is shown to have complained or to have attempted any action directly, through the Union, which continued active, or with the aid of those State or local officials who the record shows were sympathetic. While it has not been relied upon or needed for the findings herein with respect to the alleged applications and denials of employment, this thought is consoling after one has faced and weighed questions of credibility. IX. INTERFERENCE AT OTHER MILLS Under this heading we shall again note some of the items pointed out generally, supra. The General Counsel relates the Supreme Court's references to the "realistically foreseeable" and "reasonably foreseeable" effect to his so-called Employer-stimulated statements. But the Court's expressed concern with the Darlington closing as connected with those who controlled it: there was no suggestion earlier or at this hearing that, except for Roger Milliken whose statements we have considered, any of the supervisors who were guilty of interference at Darlington were thereby connected with other mills in intent or effect. As for "Employer-stimulated statements," at other mills, we must not permit ourselves to become confused by the term "Employer" as used in the General Counsel's brief and which, we have seen, embraces the Respondents and also "affiliated corporations." Statements stimulated by any other mills do not themselves make the General Counsel's case. Under the issues as remanded, the stimulation or purpose must be shown to have stemmed from only certain of the corporations defined by the General Counsel as the "Employer;" i.e., the Respondents or more definitively those who controlled Darlington. Here again we should note that not only does the General Counsel cite actual effect while quoting and ostensibly relying on foreseeable effect, but he extends the affecting element beyond the Darlington closing. But because I cannot predict reaction on review to what is herein said concerning Darlington's connection with and responsibility for supervisors' impressions and statements at other mills, and because testimony was received concerning these latter, we shall now briefly advert to such items. The impression or belief (and action based thereon) of a supervisor of another mill concerning Roger Milliken's admitted attitude toward unions does not bear on the chilling purpose toward employees into which we are inquiring unless it be shown or inferred that the purpose at Darlington was to chill those other supervisors and, by their acts, the employees under them. More reasonable in this connection are the attempts to show, as part of the purpose to chill, instructions to supervisors at other plants that they limit and interfere with employees' union activity. (This focuses attention particularly on the testimony concerning Poag,infra.) Returning to a supervisor's own impressions of Milliken's attitude, such impressions, once proved, would not necessarily be helpful in our inquiry since purpose at Darlington and chilling effect on employees elsewhere might or might not appear regardless of supervisors' impressions38 pro and con, which are at most intermediate as far as their own rank-and-file employees and Darlington are concerned. Again, chilling purpose can be shown if these supervisors or their acts are connected with a purpose on the part of those in control at Darlington. It will be seen that most of the testimony offered to show ,interference by supervisors with employees at other mills falls within the long-established rule of tendency to interfere, as by threats, and was not directed to showing actual effect. But since there is no evidence, except that with respect to Poag, concerning direct relations between those in control of Darlington and employees at other mills, we consider the testimony submitted concerning intermediates . We have referred to such testimony as of secondary effect, and the purpose at Darlington which it can indicate is necessarily more remote. As we consider the tendency of the supervisors' statements to chill these employees at other mills, we must bear in mind the few39 claimed thus to have been spoken to compare with the number who could conceivably be affected were chilling purpose and effect shown and, aside 37 Distinguished here from their activities qua Darlington employees. 35 If an explanation must be repeated , the issue is not only what a supervisor believed and whether he issued a threat, but whether what he did was intended by and the result of the acts of those who controlled Darlington 39 Again, we are concerned with the extent of effect which the Supreme Court would deem sufficient for a finding that Darlington 's acts were violative even if general chilling purpose were shown with the intent to reap a benefit from fear of the employees in related businesses as defined. 1118 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD from variances which were not litigated and matters of credibility, the question whether any of this was purposed at Darlington. We recall that where the testimony of several witnesses concerning alleged statements by supervisors was considered, supra, it was suggested that similar detailed analysis of every other statement is unnecessary. But we can note the testimony by a father and son, which rounds out that offered by the General Counsel concerning statements by Hartsville supervisors. Former employee Lonnie Howard appeared to be testifying in support of the allegation, otherwise supported, concerning statements by Hartsville and Pacolet supervisors prior to the election at Darlington. But the General Counsel now cites this under the heading that the Darlington closing was cited to employees at Hartsville as an example, and therefore that the incident testified to occurred after the shutdown. Howard first told us about remarks by a supervisor now deceased concerning "the results of the Darlington mill." Despite this, the next question put to him on direct examination was, "Talking about before the election?"- and Howard obediently testified that the supervisors said that both Darlington and Hartsville would shut down if the employees went into the Union, the statement being made before the election. Confusion was worse confounded when, having testified to an election at Hartsville as well as at Darlington, Howard told us on redirect examination that he had been referring to an election at Hartsville the year that the first World War was declared. The younger Howard, Luther, was a combative witness. He testified that at various times after 1956 Assistant Overseer Seymour told him in personal discussions, some in the presence of other employees, that if Hartsville were organized it would be shut down as Darlington had been. In a statement shortly before this hearing Howard mentioned general conversations in the plant in 1956, not after 1956; he explained that he "had to sign no statement as to giving dates on anything except one year there that was mentioned." But he then claimed that he did tell the union representative to whom he gave that statement that there were later conversations although the representative did not include reference to these. Concerned with credibility, I have noted further inconsistency in Luther Howard's testimony that his statement contained no reference to Poag because he was not asked about him, and that the union representative asked if he "knew anything [about the Darlington closing] to tell him." It does not appear that what Seymour allegedly told Howard as his own opinion40 about organization and shutdown at Hartsville as at Darlington, as declared in Howard's statement, was pinpointed by the union representative's questions any more than was reference to what Howard now testified that Poag was reported to have said. I do not credit Howard's addition at the hearing concerning Seymour's alleged remarks. It appears that Seymour was hospitalized on December 15, 1965, while the hearing was in progress, and had a recurrence on January 15. The Respondents did not respond to the General Counsel's suggestion that 40 Were this otherwise significant, it would be no less so because they were talking " man to man [ a]nd not from an employee to a supervisor." 41 We recall that he testified concerning statements by Laughlin. Seymour's deposition be taken. Galloway, who according to Howard was among the employees present, did not include such remarks by Seymour41 in his testimony although on cross-examination he testified that he told the union representative, who first mentioned Seymour's name, "what Mr. Seymour said." Having tabulated the testimony concerning statements by supervisors at New Holland in 1961,42 I note little prima facie evidence of interference by supervisors at other mills with their employees. But beyond that, for the various reasons pointed out, I would not find that the instances cited establish at all or sufficiently a chilling purpose at Darlington and a chargeable chilling effect on employees elsewhere. I have not overlooked such uncontradicted testimony as employee Miller's that in 1956 or 1957, shortly after the Darlington closing, he went from his sanforizing plant to get some boxes on the shipping platform and that Cagle, the second hand there who is apparently no longer employed at the mill, had been talking to another man; that Cagle stopped and the three "were just standing there talking about the union "; and that Cagle said that they had shut Darlington down on account of the union and would shut down the New Holland plant if it went union . Neither Cagle nor the "other man," whom Miller could not recall, was called to testify. There is no explanation for the failure to call Cagle. On the other hand, there were other facts which Miller failed to remember as he recalled only his brief conversation 9 years before: if he had heard about another Pacolet mill closing or discussed other mills closing at about the same time, he could not recall. Another early statement, this one in 1958, was allegedly made by Supervisor Campbell to Employee Payne at New Holland. Campbell died in 1964. In his statement to a union representative a few months before he testified, Payne declared that "`he' or `they' (he did not know whom Campbell had meant !) had closed one plant because of the union"; then that Campbell had said that it was in Darlington. When it was pointed out that this last did not appear in his statement, Payne thought he had mentioned it but it had not been put down. I note also that Payne testified that two to four other employees allegedly heard Campbell warn against filling out union papers, but he did not "remember anyone by name." I do not credit such testimony as Miller's and Payne's; nor does it add any credibility to the General Counsel's position. Without suggesting that the remainder of the testimony of interference by other supervisors is of such quality, little is to be gained by detailing and comparing each account. The above summary covers 25 separate allegations placed at the New Holland plant, testimony being received concerning 15 of them. Three witnesses called by the General Counsel testified to four allegations in his bill of particulars concerning apparently six incidents or series of incidents in which four Gainsville supervisors were involved. (Another series of talks with a Gainesville supervisor, listed as interference at New Holland, was placed at the end of 1962 or the beginning of 1963.) The General Counsel in his brief 41 One listed among these allegedly was made in 1957 The supervisor charged, Fair , is now deceased and it is not clear from the record whether the man to whom the statement was made was himself not a supervisor DARLINGTON MFG. CO. cites only two of these incidents. Employee Kirby testified to some innocuous43 remarks by Supervisor Whitfield at Gainesville in 1961. He also told us that, beginning several years before 1956 and continuing for several years thereafter, Supervisor Allen,44 now deceased, allegedly said to Kirby many times that, "if the union came in down there at the Gainesville mill, that Mr. Milliken would have the plant shut down." Despite the allegation that Allen said, "Like the Darlington plant," Kirby did not recall any mention of Darlington. Such statements in 1952 or 1953 were hardly purposed at Darlington in connection with the closing in 1956; and there is nothing to indicate any different basis or new purpose for Allen's alleged later repetitions, or a connection purposed at Darlington. Nor can we assign any recognizable portion of a chilling effect to the Darlington shutdown (again , unless we assume it). Employee Collins testified that in 1961, with respect to the Union, he and Whitfield "would just kick it around a bit in the waterhouse and drop it on the floor and cart it around, and that would be about all." Pressed further, Collins told us that employees would bring union literature into the plant "and naturally they would drop [some of] it on the floor." The extent of the discussion between the witness and Whitfield concerning the union literature was "more or less the untidiness of the room"; Whitfield "would just say that they should not bring the literature in the plant." Whitfield made no other statement concerning the Union and, when counsel continued the examination concerning him, we were told that Whitfield did not say anything about closing the plant. Collins also testified45 that Supervisor Long told fixers and supervisors at a meeting that "it would be bad if the plant there voted union, it would be bad; it was a possibility that it would close the plant down there ..."; then, "He just said, `They would close the plant,"' identifying who would do that. Identification does not offer any problem; credibility does. Long denied that he had any conversation with Collins about the Union and further, on cross-examination, that he had told Collins that it would be bad if the Union came in. As between Collins and Long, I have not found any basis for comparative credibility findings with respect to this alleged incident. Moon, supervisor for about 2 years until he left Gainesville in 1962, testified for the General Counsel that about 1959 he had conversations with Long approximately every week and that Long would tell him "to get it before the people46 that were a little unruly that they, Mr. Milliken, wouldn' t run a mill organized." Against this we have Long's testimony that he never told Moon that Milliken would not operate an organized mill; he and Moon talked about unions 10 or 15 different times; Moon would talk to him about the president and assistant president of the "old union" at Gainesville "cutting their jobs a little bit short or their infractions of the rules"; Moon was not opposed to the Union but was a perfectionist and, although he tried to be honest, would exaggerate employees' faults; 13 With this mention, the details are that "in a sort of an indirect way" Whitfield said that if they did not work hard they could lose their jobs. "" This is one of the two items under this heading cited by the General Counsel. 11 This is the other instance of a statement by a Gainesville supervisor, mentioned by the General Counsel in his brief. ' 6 Since it does not appear that Moon ever put this to the employees , there can be no effect in this connection. If 1119 he did not himself know Roger Milliken's opinion of unions, although his own opinion was and he assumed that Milliken would not like a union to run his plants; and finally he himself had "no viewpoint" concerning what would happen if a union came into the Gainesville plant. Finally, if justification for setting forth these details lies in the fact that fewer instances are alleged and even fewer maintained , Moon testified that about 1961, when Teamsters literature was being distributed at Gainesville, Overseer Jarrard, during the course of a conversation with Moon in the office, told him, "Well we had to keep [the Union] out." According to Jarrard, he probably did say to Moon, as he did to all of his shift overseers, that it was desirable (as distinguished from "necessary") to keep the Teamsters Union out of the plant ; he did not tell Moon or anyone else that Milliken would not operate the plant organized or that they should get rid of the employees who they thought were for the union. The allegation concerning supervisors' remarks at Drayton mill was covered by employee Dizbon's testimony that in the fall of 1956, shortly after the Darlington shutdown, his supervisor, Anthony, repeatedly questioned him about his attitude toward the union ,47 and once told him that the Drayton stockholders were losing money and could shut the plant down as at Darlington. Anthony denied that he had asked the questions or made the threat. Neither the bare transcript nor the witnesses' demeanor suggests a credibility finding. Here or elsewhere reference should be made to the testimony concerning the posting at New Holland of notices which cited the Darlington closing . Little, a Teamsters organizer , with three assistants , all from Detroit, organized at the New Holland and Gainesville mills and elsewhere in the area in the spring of 1961. That campaign was not limited to textile mill employees. Little testified that four notices were posted on the bulletin board at the New Holland mill. As to three of these, which were available at the hearing and which Little referred to as the first, second, and fourth notices, there is no issue or significance here (beyond their significant availability). There is issue concerning the so-called third notice, of which no copy was now presented. According to Little, this third was "a pressure notice" which advised employees not to join the union and mentioned other mills which had been organized and then closed down; it "referred to one in Darlington , South Carolina, and ... to two somewhere on the east coast ...." Little testified that he had asked employees to bring him a handwritten copy of this third notice, but an unidentified someone took an actual copy off the bulletin board and gave it to him. He sent this copy to his office in Washington after first making copies in longhand, of which there were an original and three carbon copies. (This made a total of five copies which Little allegedly had in one form or another.) The original of the handwritten copies Little took personally to his Atlanta office, and he was almost positive that he sent one of the carbon copies considered at all, it would be presumably on the question of Milliken's purpose , knowledge of which was rather remote from Long and Moon. "7 With reference to the Teamsters at other mills , the identity of the union at Drayton was not indicated . On cross-examination, Anthony testified that he did not know which union distributed leaflets at Drayton. Dizbon was not asked to and did not identify the union to which he referred. 1120 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD to the Detroit office. He told us further that he has attempted to locate the copies in Detroit and Atlanta; he did not try to get the one in Washington; no further reference was made to the remaining two copies, their disposition or whereabouts. Whatever the Respondents' motives and attitude with respect to unions, whether the Charging Union or the Teamsters, neither at this or the earlier hearings has there been evidence of withholding of documents or distortion of their contents. Jackson, plant manager at New Holland in 1961, testified that he and Poag approved notices before they were posted on the bulletin board; that none referred to Darlington or the Darlington plant, or to any mill closing because of the Union. The third notice as described by Little was violative. It would tend to chill and certainly to interfere with employees' protected concerted activities. On the issue of credibility concerning this notice, we note Little's testimony that he took the notice to the Teamsters office in Atlanta, not to the Board office there, in an attempt to have an unfair labor practice charge filed. Not only is there insufficient explanation for the failure to make adequate attempt to produce the original notice or one of the copies which Little allegedly made, but there is no explanation for the failure to file a charge despite the violation as he described it, now relied on by the General Counsel,48 and Little's testimony that he tried to get an unfair labor practice charge filed against the New Holland plant. It is unnecessary to point out contradictions in Little's testimony. The witness Waldon testified that he did not recall how many notices he saw on the main bulletin board during the Teamsters drive: "Well, one of them concerned the closing at Darlington and vaguely I remember, like Mr. Little said, two other plants that were closed, the names of which I don't recall." One of the notices referred to by Little, which is before us, referred to the Teamsters campaign and questions which had allegedly arisen, and purported to state the mill's position. The notice contained the following, inter alia: (1) This matter is, of course, one of concern to the Company. It is also, however, a matter of serious concern to you and our sincere belief that if this Union were to get into this Plant, it would not work to your benefit but to your serious harm. I believe that it was in 1961 that the Board, by 2 to 1, first held that such language constituted unlawful interference.49 Examination of the cases indicates that management has only recently adopted this incantation, now quite common in the area and the subject of both Board and circuit court opinions. Opinions may and frequently do differ as to whether statements transcend the permissible.50 I do not presume to question the Board's holding in Threads, which it has consistently followed. But the question now is not whether New Holland interfered with employees by posting this notice. Rather , as in connection with activities generally at the other mills, did those in control at Darlington act to produce what has since been held by the Board to 4' In passing, it may be noted that some of the violative statements by New Holland and Gainesville supervisors , listed in the bill of particulars, occurred during Little's campaign. 40 Threads, Incorporated, 132 NLRB 451, 452. 50 See N.L.R.B. v. Herman Wilson Lumber Company, 355 F.2d 426 (C.A. 8), where a divided court reversed the decision, finding constitute interference? I cannot find that such interference, held to be such shortly after the Teamsters campaign at New Holland and 5 years after the events at Darlington, was purposed at Darlington as discouragement of unionization at New Holland. X. INTERFERENCE AT DARLINGTON Statements by Darlington supervisors, including references to Roger Milliken's attitude and prior mill closings, were long ago found violative. To hold that they indicate a purpose to affect employees in other businesses, aside from any questions of authority and responsibility, is something else. Even though the point is now raised under a different heading, it may not be necessary to explain again that the issue here is not Darlington's liability for its supervisors' interference with its employees, but the intent or purpose with respect to employees elsewhere (and the effect on them) of those who controlled the mill and its shutdown. Here as elsewhere there is no warrant for a per se inference that what occurred at Darlington must have been done with an eye to employees elsewhere, the very question at issue. The responsible group as defined by the Supreme Court does not include Darlington supervisors or even Goodwin, production superintendent at the time of the shutdown. As much, or little, can be said of any remarks by Sterling Smith at that time, manager of the cost department of Deering Milliken Service Corporation and a "high level supervisor," who visited the various mills. Goodwin's and Smith's contacts with Roger Milliken were limited, and did not include discussion of attitude or intent toward unions. The chilling purpose and effect which here concern us are not to be found in remarks charged to them in the absence of a showing of sponsorship or other connection with respect to a chilling purpose elsewhere in those who controlled Darlington's shutdown. We therefore need not concern ourselves with credibility aspects of the testimony in this connection even if, if credited, newly noted remarks attributed to them and other Darlington supervisors would constitute further interference with employees at Darlington. No more determinative of the chilling purpose of those who controlled" Darlington could be remarks by Oeland (aside from his credible denials). He did know that Roger Milliken was opposed to unionization; so do we. Oeland, whose work was terminated with Darlington's liquidation, was no closer than others at the mill to knowledge of any purpose with respect to employees elsewhere. With respect to Milliken's acts and statements in or about 1956, which the General Counsel now details, he testified at length earlier and now again concerning his motives and reasons for liquidating Darlington. It has been barely suggested, supra, that at that time, perhaps to divert attention from the discrimination against Darlington employees with which he was charged, he could have indicated a purpose to reap a benefit at other mills. Certainly when he testified in 1957, it was not contemplated that such a purpose would reflect on the acts with which he was charged. We have here no violation, of a divided Board in 149 NLRB 673. 51 Oeland was not part of nor did he represent the Milliken family group which the Board found owns and controls the various corporations ; neither did he have the other business interests described by the Supreme Court. DARLINGTON MFG. CO. 1121 statement or act by Milliken on which the Board and the Court could not have relied previously. Finally in this respect, if once again we consider the chilling effect of statements at Darlington even though the motivation which the Supreme Court has told us is necessary to inculpate the Respondents has not been shown, the evidence fails to connect any greater fear, noted or which might be inferred among employees elsewhere, with the events at Darlington rather than with the closing of other businesses anywhere. We have already seen that the effect on employees of the statements testified to at this hearing is minimal. With respect to other statements now cited by the General Counsel, it does not appear that knowledge of them was even communicated to employees of other mills. Looking at such statements in another way, of the seven instances at Darlington cited in the bill of particulars as amended, three52 were described as made to or in the presence of rank-and-file employees. (The bill of particulars reference to one of these three is to a supervisors' meeting.) No more than knowledge of the purposes of those in control did any of these mill officials or supervisors (whether speaking to rank-and-file employees or other supervisors) have the status to make admissions on behalf of the Respondents. If further analysis serves no greater purpose with respect to the issues than did the submission of such testimony in the first place, it can shed light on the credibility level. Beginning with such questions as delay in the presentation of this testimony, of the type received at the first hearing; and the alleged recollection now, there is no warrant for crediting such testimony of further interference at Darlington and discrediting the denials by the supervisors. The first of these three instances depends on the testimony of Mrs. Yarboro, a cloth inspector at Darlington until 1956, that about the first of August her overseer, Anderson, said in the presence of several employees, including herself, "Mr. Milliken wanted the union squashed there so that it would not spread to the other Mills." Anderson denied that he made such a statement. Aside from the question of authority and the absence of any basis to indicate Anderson's knowledge of Milliken's purpose, I do not believe that Anderson so opportunely anticipated by 9 years the Supreme Court's opinion. Questioned about a statement which she had given to a union representative and one to the General Counsel, both shortly before this hearing, neither of which mentioned Anderson's alleged statement, Yarboro explained, "I happened to think about it later on." Head carpenter White testified in line with one of the items of the bill of particulars as amended that Oeland said53 to him in the presence of several laborers, whose names he did not recall, that Roger Milliken had told him that, if the Union were voted in, he "would close the mill or liquidate it, because he wouldn't have the Union telling him how to run his mills." Such testimony is no more effective to prove chilling purpose elsewhere than is the testimony received a long time ago and Milliken's admitted opposition to unionization. Further, I credit Oeland's denial and his explanation as it appears on the record. As for White's credibility, he testified that he was neutral in 1956 and did not tell any union investigator about this statement by Oeland although he did return "some information" (whether to the General Counsel or to the Union is not clear). Not until he was interviewed by a union representative in January 1966 was he asked about this specifically; he then told about it. White had previously testified, "[The union representative] just asked the questions, and I answered by what I knew." Whether or not the other questions were "specific" or general, he told us that the representative did not ask specifically about Oeland's alleged statement. Here again it should be clear that, were we to draw and rely on inference, evidence more favorable to the General Counsel's position and without any issue of credibility appears in the record made years ago in Milliken's now famous "hard core" statement. In the third of these instances (it is not clear whether this refers to more than one incident) Superintendent Goodwin is alleged to have said about a week before the election to Williams, himself a supervisor, that Milliken would not operate under a union but would close the mill down. Goodwin cited a mill in Maine and told Williams to tell the employees that that was what would happen there if they voted for the Union; and Williams did so tell employees. It appears from White's further testimony that the "message" which he transmitted to the employees under him was that he was told that Milliken would not operate under a union, although this is not quite clear. "I told them that they wouldn't operate under a union. That Milliken would not operate a Mill under a union. That's what I was told." If the last five words were included in the message which he transmitted, this is not inconsistent with his 1957 testimony that he did not tell anybody that he knew that Milliken would close the plant. Goodwin denied that he made the statements attributed to him by Williams, but did not remember him. The General Counsel has also cited in support of this allegation the testimony by employee Small that after the election and 2 or 3 weeks before the mill was closed Goodwin said that he did not understand the employees' vote for the Union since they knew that Milliken would shut the mill down of the Union were voted in. Goodwin remembered Small but, asked whether he had said what Small attributed to him, he replied variously, "I don't remember ever doing that"; "Not that I ever remember"; and "No, sir." Unlike Williams, Small was not a supervisor; unlike the allegation, his reference was to a conversation after the election. Nothing in the demeanor of Williams, Small, or Goodwin or in their testimony points to resolution of the credibility questions raised. True, it has been found that Goodwin was guilty of interference within the meaning of the Act in certain conversations with employees. But it can be urged on the other hand that his readiness to admit those suggests that he did not make these newly alleged statements. Goodwin made several other replies similar to those just quoted, which appeared to me as I heard them and again on reference to the transcript to be ambiguous. The answers are of uncertain meaning; the question remains whether they reflect uncertainty on the part of the witness. "I don't remember ever doing that" may mean that the 52 A fourth statement allegedly made by a supervisor to have considered it; at other mills, chilling effect also. employees was not supported by any testimony. As for those 53 White placed this conversation, which he claimed stands out made to supervisors, any chilling effect would not be even on in his memory, before the election and about a month before the Darlington employees, much less on those elsewhere. Statements plant closed. But the closing followed the election by some 3 at Darlington would presumably show chilling purpose, as we months. 299-352 0-70-72 1122 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD witness thinks that he may have done that but does not recall whether) or not he did. On the other hand, it may quite literally mean that what the witness did not do or knows that he would not do, he does not recall. The problem is to ascertain, without suggesting the answer, what the witness does mean. I finally attempted this to enable myself to make findings of fact. While the issues in question are not important relatively, the procedure is and it may be in order to include a brief discussion of the point "for reproof, for correction, for instruction ... , ' or for endorsement. No questions may indeed be better than poor ones. The need to be circumspect arid-tu-avoid-suggesting an answer to the witness cannot be overemphasized. Leaving open the weight to be given the testimony (which is our problem), Wigmore declares:54 "The best judicial opinion does not insist on any degree of positiveness in the recollection, but accepts whatever the witness feels able to present." This is particularly true where the witness is called upon to deny something which he carefully indicates he does not recall as when Goodwin, asked whether he would not deny, repeated only that he did not remember. Clarification was not achieved when he said, "I don't know whether they may have been said, sir"-a reply which suggests that the witness admits the possibility that the statements were made; but followed this with the categorical "They have not been said." The words themselves would be open to different interpretations even had the witness said, "I don't recall that at all." He might be emphasizing either a failure 'to recall or a definite absence of the event referred to. A stated failure to recall is understandable if the event never occurred; on the other hand, it may reflect the witness' uncertainty, and he may mean that the event may indeed have occurred. How the words are to be interpreted may be indicated by the witness' tone or demeanor. His recollection or stated absence of a given recollection is admissible even as an "impression."55 Cross-examined concerning his understanding of Poag's purpose in his talks at Darlington, Goodwin could and did reliably recall that, even if details now escaped him. Several interesting applications of what has here been said can be seen in Oeland's testimony. Asked about having suggested to Yarboro that he apply at Kingstree mill, he did not reply directly but explained why he "tried very carefully" not to make such suggestions. His cross- examination continued: Q. In other words, you are telling you don't recall making this to Mr. Yarborough (sic) because you tried not to do it for anyone? A. That is right. My impression that Oeland was definite in his answers in this connection is supported by the finality of his earlier statement concerning Yarboro's qualifications: a cotton loom fixer would not be qualified without retraining to work in a woolen mill. This followed immediately after he 54 3 Wigmore, Evidence, ยง 726 (3 ed 1940) 55 Id at Sec 658 5s As another variation, before he was pressed to a definite denial of White's testimony, supra, he offered what appeared to him the equivalent "I could not make a statement like that " 57 I include supervisors who testified for one side or the other, and such a top management representative as Pitts, who usually introduced Poag at Hartsville, and testified concerning the general and consistent nature of the latter's remarks After the was questioned about Yarboro's testimony that Oeland had sent him to Kingstree, the reply being, "Not that I recall." That Oeland did not distinguish56 between the two types of reply, deeming them equivalent, may be seen from his ready agreement at the close of this cross- examination, as follows: Q. Did you hear it from many people in Hartsville? A. No. Q. Not that you recall? A. Not that I recall. XI. POAG From 1948 until 1962 or 1963 Poag represented various so-called Deering Milliken mills. He did have direct and personal contact with Roger Milliken, as was noted early in the first hearing. Whatever Milliken's remoteness from others, Poag necessarily had his confidence, spoke for him, and certainly appeared to speak for him. As part of this relationship of attorney and client (or president of client corporations) Poag, when he appeared at the various mills, represented Milliken. Unlike instances noted supra where we consider effect of an effect, there can be no question of Poag's authority to speak for Roger Milliken or of the direct effect of his acts. On the other hand, recognizing his status, to say that Poag wanted to keep the Union out of Darlington and other mills is no more than to say that this was Milliken's admitted desire. That is not, however, the same as saying that, when Poag addressed Darlington people, he had in mind or proposed an effect with respect to employees elsewhere; or that, when he spoke to supervisors at any other mill, he had in mind anything other than his purpose at that mill. To find that when he spoke at one mill he had other mills in mind is to rely on an assumption, not proof. Excluding Darlington for the moment, it is not suggested that Poag had mill A in mind when he spoke to supervisors at mill B. But were mill B to close, it could be urged, yet without proof, that he did necessarily have A in mind! We must look for evidence of Poag's purpose to chill elsewhere and for evidence of chilling effect. What he said is thus of great significance. For their bearing on the credibility of those who testified concerning this, many questions were asked concerning such attendant circumstances as whether joint meetings were held and who attended. It will serve no useful purpose to cite all of the testimony pro and con with reference to Poag's meetings with supervisors of various mills. Differences and discrepancies appear on both sides. If all overseers and all assistant overseers in the respective mills did not attend each of these meetings, we can believe that Poag did address such meetings and that he did not know that attendance was less than full or whether overseers and assistant overseers attended jointly. It is understandable that the mill people57 attending would not, so many years later, recollect as clearly what was said at the meetings as first hearing I made credibility findings with respect to various witnesses called by Darlington and employed there, from Oeland and Goodwin down, and I found violations on the basis of supervisors ' truthful admissions and failure to contradict testimony that they had been guilty of interference To the extent that we can here consider such indicated reliability of the supervisors and counsel , this would generally support the independent credibility findings made herein DARLINGTON MFG. CO. did Poag, who recalled his purpose if not all of the circumstances. From all of the testimony concerning a joint meeting of Darlington and Hartsville supervisors, it appears that these did jointly meet once with Poag preliminarily to their enrollment in a Dale Carnegie course, which Poag taught. The uncertainties and variances in this respect are typified by Oeland's testimony that, while he attended his supervisors' meetings with Poag, he did not attend the joint meeting but thought that there was such a meeting. Of the first four witnesses called by the General Counsel, all of them supervisors at Darlington, two testified to a joint meeting with Hartsville supervisors, while two spoke of various meetings but made no mention of attendance by Hartsville supervisors. While I have resisted the temptation to tally the testimony on this point, my impression is that most of those questioned did mention a joint gathering of supervisors of both of these mills. Although there was much questioning concerning this at the hearing, what Poag said at various meetings can be found without reference to the issue of a joint meeting and regardless of whether such meeting was held as a preliminary to a training course. The testimony concerning what Poag said is relevant and important in connection with chilling purpose and also insofar as chilling effect is concerned, on the reasonable assumption that he made similar remarks at the other mills, continuing any chilling purpose and with conceivably resultant chilling effect on the employees there. Testimony was similarly received pro and con concerning Poag's remarks at meetings of supervisors at other mills which he represented. Beginning with the General Counsel's first two witnesses, there were significant discrepancies. Supervisor Tobias testified that Poag addressed the supervisors at a joint Darlington-Hartsville meeting (there was only one such) about March 1956. Supervisor Edwards testified that he attended that joint meeting, Tobias being present, 6 or 8 months before he left Darlington in February 1956. Tobias told us further, as did others, that Poag declared that Mr. Milliken would not tolerate a union in any of his plants, and that Poag discreetly suggested that, while an employee could not be fired because he talked union, he might be gotten for bad work. While violative statements were found at the original hearing and others were then testified to, these did not involve Poag (who cross-examined a number of these witnesses and was no stranger to them) at that time even though various supervisors now testified that he was the conduit for Milliken's alleged attitude and remarks. At the first hearing Tobias was called upon only to deny remarks made as of his own knowledge or which he had allegedly attributed to Milliken without reference to Poag. Kinsey, the third witness called by the General Counsel, 58 It has previously been pointed out that Galloway, who testified to reference by Supervisor On, now deceased, to a statement at a meeting of all of the second hands, which mentioned both Poag and Milliken , did not attribute to Laughlin, also a second hand, who allegedly warned or threatened him many times, any supporting reference to Poag ss Parenthetically , statements to supervisors concerning Roger Milliken's attitude purposed at Darlington and intended to be transmitted to employees elsewhere would bear on the issue of purpose to cause the latter to fear But such remarks as that union supporters could be discharged under a pretext , while violative where that is properly in issue, do not bear on the issue of the shutdown as causing fear among employees elsewhere Such fear 1123 had also been a Darlington supervisor. He was specifically found to have supported the disavowal petition after the 1956 election. He now told us that Pdag had urged supervisors to persuade employees not to join the Union and to warn that, if it came in, Milliken would close the plant None of this was suggested at the first hearing as involving Poag or including mention of him, an eminent authority for such intention and statements if the intention existed and the statements were made. In fact, if in all of the testimony at the first hearing concerning interference or the many allegations of interference there alleged, there was reference by employees or by supervisors, witnesses on either side, to a role played by Poag in passing the word on to supervisors who in turn spoke to employees, recollection of it escapes me.58 Yet Poag's alleged role is now emphasized. True, the issue now is Roger Milliken's intent and Poag's alleged expression of it. But with all that is now attributed to Poag, it would seem that a good portion or some of that would have crept into the record when the issue included threats based on Milliken's attitude toward this Union and unions generally at Darlington and elsewhere. It is strange that witnesses who testified many years ago without reference to the important and violative role allegedly played by Poag, and other witnesses who were not called at that time, now submit in this detritus many years after the event a first mention of statements which were within the old issues and which were made by Poag at meetings spaced by some as frequently as every 2 weeks or every month at Darlington shortly before the election. From a mere balancing of the testimony as it appears of record, and aside from my credibility finding, there is no sufficient basis for crediting the testimony that Poag reminded supervisors of the Darlington shutdown and others or that he hinted at discharge of union supporters or warned of plant closures, and for rejecting the testimony that, anxious to keep unions out, he discussed conditions and advised supervisors "within the framework of the Act"; or for concluding that, in closing down Darlington a purpose was, in this manner among others , to instill in employees of other mills the fear that theirs would be closed down if they persisted in organizational activities.5s Indeed, my impression after hearing the witnesses and reviewing their testimony is that much of this new matter involving Poag was created to meet the need born of the remand It should not be necessary to point out that even a finding that Poag's remarks were violative and chilling would not suffice the General Counsel. It would be further necessary to find that Roger Milliken purposed and foresaw such remarks when Darlington was closed. Were an inference now to be drawn,60 we must bear in mind that, since the same chilling remarks were allegedly made well before the Darlington shutdown, their purpose did not might stem from discharges thus effected , but not from an untransmitted reference to Darlington or Milliken The same can be said with reference to other items listed in the bill of particulars and there charged to Poag Even if irrelevant to our issues, the testimony that Poag recommended discharges may bear on the credibility of those who so testified since, except for the employees terminated at Darlington , it has at no time been suggested that any employees at any of these mills were discharged because they "talked union " This had not occurred even at Darlington during the campaign , when there was a great deal of union talk 60 If this additional point raises problems , it can be ignored as unnecessary to the decision 1124 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD stem from or depend on that shutdown but antedated it. But what Milliken's prior purpose was can be judged by the early memorandum which he issued and was neither intended nor used to prevent or interfere with employees' organizational activities at the other mills. With efforts at each mill prior to the Darlington shutdown directed to that mill alone, had Poag been guilty of violative remarks such guilt would be based on what he said at a given mill with respect to its employees. But we are asked to assume that a purpose in closing Darlington was to broaden the base to include employees at other mills. Presumably any such remarks shown to have been made at a still later time (within reasonable time limitations) could not be free of that same purpose to chill employees elsewhere: whether the evidence so indicates or not, the chilling purpose elsewhere antedated Darlington's shutdown and necessarily was reflected in the shutdown and continued thereafter !- even if it was never before so claimed and was not included in Poag's earlier remarks or in Milliken's own efforts to avoid unionization at any mill. As for chilling purpose in Poag's remarks at various mills, aside from the fact that the concept of a common plan has now been newly injected, a purpose at Darlington to interfere there, as previously found, without reference to or consideration of other businesses, and a purpose at other mills to interfere, if that were found, is or would be as consonant with the facts brought out as would be an overall plan to affect employees of various businesses by closing one. If the shutdown be not discriminatory at Darlington in the absence of proof of chilling purpose at other mills, we cannot hold that interference at the other mills together with interference in the Darlington shutdown reflect the necessary purpose to discriminate at Darlington; for that would be mere assumption of chilling purpose from proof of alleged effect, without that showing of motivation which has been declared necessary. We recall our concern over the question whether the purpose here to be shown with respect to employees of other businesses existed at Darlington at the time of the shutdown. As that has not been shown, no more does it appear specifically that those in control of Darlington purposed remarks by Poag concerning other mills then or thereafter to affect employees at those mills. In fact it is not even claimed in the bill of particulars detailed recital of Poag's alleged offenses that at the time of the shutdown any future activity by Poag was contemplated as connecting action at Darlington with other plants. We do have Poag activity at other mills. But aside from any question concerning the nature of such activity, which long antedated the shutdown and continued long thereafter, there is no reasonable basis for holding that those who controlled Darlington intended to apply or to use the events there to affect the employees elsewhere. We now parallel points earlier raised. Bearing in mind that our issue is Darlington's purpose in 1956 with respect to other businesses , we would expect early manifestation of that purpose by Poag at other mills as according to present testimony employees were told about it in those earlier days; and a reasonable amount of evidence, and indeed early charges based on this, considering the presence and efforts and in the vicinity of both the Charging Union and the Teamsters as the latter also attempted to establish a case against the mills. Insofar as effect on employees is concerned, the statements among employees, noted supra, or by supervisors at other mills could scarcely be charged to Poag as we recall the role played by the Union itself in depicting Roger Milliken's attitude. Nor can such statements be charged, through Poag, as intended at Darlington by those who controlled it. As for the conflict in testimony, it more credibly appears that Poag's remarks to supervisors, both before the Darlington closing and afterward, were concerned with unionization of the respective mills and, more positively, with proper administration and supervision'61 as Jackson confirmed in the course of cross-examination; and specifically that at each mill he concerned himself with the needs and problems of that mill.62 I find from the conflicting testimony that neither before nor after the shutdown did Poag cite at any mills the closing of other mills or Roger Milliken's attitude generally as a warning of action which might be taken (or if this be relevant, that union supporters would or should be discharged). Poag had the same purpose at each mill, and it antedated the Darlington shutdown. But there is no warrant for assuming that his approach and methods, common to that in many admittedly independent businesses (even as his representation of each was independent, whatever the relationship among the various mills), were intended to connect the various mills in purpose or effect; or that the purpose in closing Darlington, never before so charged or considered with respect to that or prior mill closings, was to affect employees at other businesses. I find and conclude from all of the testimony on this point at this hearing, confirmed by that previously received, that a purpose at Darlington with respect to employees elsewhere has not been shown; and that testimony concerning related events at other mills is slight, considering quantity and credibility, and that such events cannot be causally traced to a chilling purpose at Darlington. There is yet another possibility: that with Roger Milliken advising mill treasurers not to discuss the Darlington situation, and Poag telling supervisors not to interfere with employees' union activities, they spoke with a figurative "nod or a wink or a code,"63 and intended the instructions to be disobeyed so that supervisors at the various mills (and other businesses) would cause employees to fear shutdowns because of their organizational activities . Such speculation and any findings of violation based thereon would face the inherent S' This finding is wholly consistent with the notices which were posted after approval by Poag, supra , as submitted by the General Counsel . Connected with Poag , such documentary evidence, if violative where posted, is consistent with the Respondents' testimony and does not support the testimony submitted to show either questionable purpose to chill elsewhere , Poag's support thereof, or chilling effect , of Darlington 's acts, at other mills. 82 As I pointed out at the hearing, testimony that known union supporters at other mills were not discharged and that no instructions to discharge were ever given does not bear on the issue whether there were discriminatory refusals to hire, mentioned supra . But it does reflect on the alleged insistence by Poag that pretexts be found to discharge them. We need not concern ourselves with that beyond its value in meeting testimony that supervisors were instructed to find pretexts for discharge; even as we would consider such testimony as indicating intent had there been discharges. 63 United States v. International Union, United Mine Workers of America, 77 F. Supp. 563,566. DARLINGTON MFG. CO. implausibility which is proved, if implausibility must be proved, by the comparatively limited extent of supervisors' interference claimed and the few instances of effect which, from the evidence, could be reasonably anticipated or were, despite the efforts to prove effect, actually shown. L'envoi This decision will "disappoint" some on one side or the other whose minds were made up before the hearing on remand, or since the hearing but without consideration of the facts or analysis of the principles involved. With that we must not concern ourselves. Certainly some are not pleased with what I have had to say concerning violation despite complete shutdown. No more pleased have others been with my finding of no adequate remedy and no single employer relationship; nor will they be on the issue of chilling purpose and effect. On the question of remedy, more can be said. All can now await greater attention to the single employer issue as called for by the Supreme Court, as to the questions of chilling purpose and effect. If "extremism," including the extreme of right' against wrong, must be avoided, I could suggest a finding and recommendation based on expertise or compromise with respect to backpay, developed in the course of my concern over this problem through the years and continued weighing of the pro's and con's. But unlike other items, which are related to the remand, this one of backpay has been and is remote from any expressed consideration by the courts. I shall say no more concerning it at this time. This remand is centered on Darlington's purpose to discourage unionization at other businesses related as described, and the effect or foreseeable success in breeding hostility to unionization or in leading employees of such businesses to desist from organizational activities. The evidence concerning purpose and the problems' in proving it have been considered. With respect to effect and in addition to what has been noted supra, both sides could argue, although neither has to date (nor have the 64 Cf. J. P Stevens & Co., Inc, 157 NLRB 869. 1125 Board or the courts adverted to this), on the basis of a well- known and acknowledged opposition to unionization in the textile industry throughout the South. But the very extent of such opposition, whether lawful or violative,64 magnifies, the problem of assessing against Darlington or those who exercised control over it, employee reluctance or fear. Aside from opposition, loss, or defeat anywhere else, every reference to opposition, in the region, in the industry, or elsewhere, longstanding and notorious, whatever sympathy and crusading fervor it may arouse, multiplies the problem of connecting instances of fear with the Darlington shutdown specifically; and this must concern us if we would draw inferences of a tendency at Darlington to interfere elsewhere. RECOMMENDED ORDER Having found and concluded on the evidence65 received at this hearing as well as on the record previously made and in the light of the opinion of the Supreme Court and the Board's remand order, 1. That the persons exercising control over Darlington did not act to close it in order to discourage unionization at other Deering Milliken plants (I am now regarding them as an integral part of the Deering Milliken enterprise) or elsewhere; and 2. That the evidence adduced does not indicate either (a) That it was realistically foreseeable that employees at other Deering Milliken plants or elsewhere would fear that their place of employment would be closed down if they persisted in organizational activities; or (b) That such other employees were in fact led so to fear, I recommend: That any allegation or claim of violation of Section 8(a)(3) of the Act because of chilling purpose or effect as defined in the Supreme Court's opinion of March 29, 1965, with respect to employees in plants or businesses other than Darlington Manufacturing Company be dismissed. 65 Board Order, October 25,1965. U S GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 1970 OL-299-352 Copy with citationCopy as parenthetical citation